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I know what Ken Hill's, and every other Morgan history book quotes. However, there is evidence that very few cars actually had the 4-4 designation, but it stuck - a bit like the wood chassis myth. It's one of those things lost in the mists of time. Yes, there's been a cartload of research done by John Merton among others. Apparently no-one has ever found a "4-4", all the early cars have "4/4" on their id plates and documentation. Designations
First let's get the designation of these cars correct.
It has become almost an axiom in Morgan circles to regard the pre-war cars as 4-4's and the post-war cars as 4/4's. However, this is utterly incorrect, as the cars have always been 4/4's and never 4-4's.
On their introduction, in publicity and advertising material, they were described as 4-4's and also, before World War 11, as 4/4's, Four Fours, 4.4's and in various other ways. They continued to be referred to as both 4-4's and 4/4's after the War.
However, the Factory build register for these vehicles, essentially the car's pedigree, which lists the model, the body type, the chassis, engine and gearbox numbers, the colour etc, lists every car from the very first as a 4/4. Additionally, apart from the earliest cars, the Coventry Climax-engined models carried a vehicle Identification Plate on the vertical rear right of the engine block which prefixed the chassis number as "4/4". The owner Instruction Books which came with the cars specified 4/4 both before and after the War. And the most commonly used bell housing on these cars carried "4/4" cast into the right hand flange.
So despite what the books, so-called marque experts, myriad magazine articles, including the new Factory-sponsored "Mog" magazine, and latterly a host of websites, may claim, Morgan has never actually produced a 4-4 car. The cars have always been 4/4's. Got it?
Roadster history.
The two seater roadster was first announced late in 1935 with customer supplies starting in March 1936. The last car, also a roadster, was despatched from the factory on 13 March 1951. This car survives, in beautifully restored form. The cars became known as Series 1's retrospectively when the Series 11 4/4 was introduced in the mid 1950's. There were numerous detail changes in specification and design over the production life of these cars which are outside the scope of this Manual, although some are covered to some extent under other headings and references.
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^^^ That's interesting.  Factory advert from 1936.
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Great Ad.... two questions, why Ten and is the Stevenson jacking system like a jack-all inbuilt system?
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I've got the Light Car magazine from the week after with a review of the Olympia show. I'll see if there's anything in the text.
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That advert shows the exact configuration as my first Morgan, even down to the hubcaps.
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That advert shows the exact configuration as my first Morgan, even down to the hubcaps. You lucky fella
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Great Ad.... two questions, why Ten and is the Stevenson jacking system like a jack-all inbuilt system? Ten would be the RAC horsepower, bore in inches squared time the number of cylinders divided by 2.5. Stevenson Jacking System
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Here is an article from Motorsport in 1937 referring to the first win for the Morgan 4/4. First victory for Morgan So why did all the early advertisements call it the 4-4? Surely 1 is better than 0.
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Thanks for info David, pity the inbuilt jacking was dropped, be great for lifting the front for greasing.
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Thanks for info David, pity the inbuilt jacking was dropped, be great for lifting the front for greasing. Now that would be a good addition to a Morgan
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