Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms This is a bad day.....for the UK

But I thought that's what the Court case is about. Whether the government has a right to remove her citizenship.

I can understand your gut reaction but it isnt rational.

The pongo is charged with murder. The prosecutor thinks he deliberately shot an unarmed youth. Now that maybe routine for the Israeli army and maybe was for the Germans but it isnt ans houldnt be for our forces. If he didnt do it, then he will be set free. If he did then rightly he should be in jail. Doesnt matter how long ago it was and who he was, murder is murder.

As for the stupid ethnic girl, she is British whether you or I like it or not. I wouldnt want a politician taking away my citizenship or that of my kids without recourse to the courts. The Home Secretary's action was political in response to the media and a whipped up public. That isnt right.

That's not the law. Asylum seekers, for example, can be eligible for legal aid.

As this is a virtual pub It seems to me that discussions can be had on ANY topic,I certianly dont go to the pub and just talk about Morgans, does anyone ? but what do I know, Im a new guy here :-)

EDIT: As long as its kept civilised of course.

Sorry - and i agree - this should be in Soap Box.

Apologies for starting in The Arms!

I agree it should be moved. Not because I think that we should not discuss, within reason, any topic on the forum but perhaps it is best that some topics be discussed in the private "Club Lounge", otherwise known as the Soap Box, where the children, and others easily offended, may not, or don't have to, enter.

I actually view the whole forum as a virtual pub Though I just might go and get a real beer 🍻

On the topic itself there are two issues. The young lady concerned certainly deserves to be treated with due consideration of the law but she was little more than an infant when she chose to pursue a foolish dream. If she shows no remorse now that she can be considered fully adult I would suggest that she should not be allowed to return. I believe that anyone involved in her recruitment should also be expelled if they have remained in the UK or indeed any European country. The first step on her part should be full and honest disclosure.

Regarding the soldier who has been charged after all these years I can't make any comment about what actually occurred so long ago, but it does seem very strange that this has all suddenly come to a head and one would have to ask why. Perhaps those concerned should have been charged at the time but nearly 50 years after the event that occurred, at a time when many innocents died or where injured, does not seem like justice.

Politicians seem to rush into decisions that don’t stand the test of time.
Withdrawing citizenship appears to be a knee-jerk reaction made to give the impression of being tough...at the time. A bit ofa token gesture to appease those howling for blood.
Begum should be given legal aid as it is wrong not to. The basic rule of law has to be met and maintained and not lead to degeneration of justice.
What annoys me is the long winded processes and poor application of Human Rights entitlement that comes with too many cases.
The prolonged shennanigans over Abu Hamza is a classic.
I hope Assange is extradited to Sweden to face the sex assault case happens without HR raising its head as a delay tactic. OK, the USA chasing him is a complication but that should be for Sweden to sort out. If he stays in the UK what happens then? I think UK will deny US extradition due to the death penalty being in place.

Absolutely. "Act in haste, repent at leisure". We've known this is a dumb strategy for so long there's even a proverb about it, and yet people insist on repeating the same mistake.

Talk about refusing to learn the lessons of history...

To get back to sergeant F. Whag about the letters given by Tony Blair to IRA activists stating that they were safe from prosecution. There are a number of IRA terrorists living the quiet life.

Like it or not, the price of a (short term?) peace in northern ireland was the appeasement of the IRA. The government took the view that if this involved sacrificing a few squaddies, then so be it.

In every war of this type, we have eventually had to deal with the terrorists whether people like Mugabe or Kenyatta or the Israelis or the Malaysians and for that matter the yanks.