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Calum,
I think the percentage of early chassis failures may be considerably higher than you suspect. Out of the 5 early M3W owners in France I know plus myself, there have been 3 chassis failures and there must have been one other as well from someone I don't know, since I know Marcassus had replaced two in Toulouse and two French cars (including mine, were done in Malvern). It may be that the early LHD chassis are more prone to failure than RHD. There are at least another 4 or 5 contributors to this forum who have had chassis failures. One had his replacement chassis fail as well. There must be a Mk2 and Mk2a chassis as my new chassis does not apparently need inspection according to today's email to me from Morgan.
I don't know if Morgan reused the wrongly installed (Marcassus local agent in Le Castellet) replacement chassis on mine, when they rebuilt it for the second time, as there was some question about the first replacement chassis having been dropped and bent but there were so many porky pies being told by the various participants over the whole three year mess of my chassis replacement, I have no idea who was telling the truth and who was making up malicious stories.
My original 2012 chassis failed in July 2015 at just over 4000km, with no competition use. It was not working satisfactorily again until November 2018, when I collected it from Malvern.
Wilson What interesting contributions we are now seeing. Sure as hell Morgan aren't going to say how many and what type of failures unless they are responding to a subpoena or standing in the dock under oath. This is not "progress" this is safety....
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Has anyone been contacted by MMC about these recall items? Has anything other than a post on TM has been done by MMC to contact owners? As a percentage of M3W owners I think that this forums viewers is not that high, just wondering how all the non TM owners are being contacted. I have a 2013 car and have not been contacted by anyone yet. I get the occasional email from MMC about a new car I can buy or event I can pay to go to, they obviously have my email address.
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This is not "progress" this is safety.... Hmmm...luckily Porsche have never had to recall any cars due to spontaneous conflagrations, neither have Ferrari, nor Vauxhall. Honda and Toyota (and others) have never had an airbag problem. Ford never built the Explorer nor the Pinto, Lancias have never suffered from corrosion. Mini sub frames never rotted away to nothing before their first MOT and nobody's septum has ever rotted away from consuming the main output of any car company  More crucially, all of the aforementioned have had slight issues with denial of the problem before finally having to react and tacitly accept a degree of reality except maybe BL and the Mini. Rotting septums may of course just be down to an FBI sting.
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This is not "progress" this is safety.... Hmmm...luckily Porsche have never had to recall any cars due to spontaneous conflagrations, neither have Ferrari, nor Vauxhall. Honda and Toyota (and others) have never had an airbag problem. Ford never built the Explorer nor the Pinto, Lancias have never suffered from corrosion. Mini sub frames never rotted away to nothing before their first MOT and nobody's septum has ever rotted away from consuming the main output of any car company More crucially, all of the aforementioned have had slight issues with denial of the problem before finally having to react and tacitly accept a degree of reality except maybe BL and the Mini. Rotting septums may of course just be down to an FBI sting. Because others did it doesn't make it ok. Thats a diversion - this is not a "slight" issue. The Morgan Motor Company were asked politely and specifically by a M3W owner about cracking and failure issues in the peddle box on this forum ages ago. I can direct you to the post if required. To the best of my knowledge there was NO response. Lets not duck the issue but address it....
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Well said Calum! I suspect I may have beaten you to the  though  it is, as they say, five o'clock somewhere
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Thanks Calum for your very clear explanation.
Planenut - I was emailed by Morgan yesterday on this matter - see my post #582384 on page 5 of this thread.
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I see that was in response to your email Wilson. What I mean is, has anyone had any contact from Morgan to ask them to get their M3W checked, like you get from other car companies when they do a recall. I don't think a post on TM will reach all the owners of the pre 2014 cars, or even most of them. I have owned my car from new in 2013 and have had a number of dealings with MMC. They must have contact details of the first owners at least, you would think that they would have contacted them.
I would like to think that the post by MMC on TM was not just hastily put there without a plan in place to contact the owners, inform the dealers about what to check, what the remedial action is, provision spares required etc. If that has not been done I can see a lot of unhappy customers with their cars sat at a dealer waiting for an answer from MMC about what to do and when the parts are arriving, as the summer disappears. It seems they have had several months to plan these recalls and they know exactly how many cars are involved.
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I see from the photograph, which shows details of the pedals much better than by eyeball, that the whole braking torque is not taken by the tube (and weld(s) between the pedal and the m/c actuation lever. If you look at the photo, you will see that the clevis pin through the actuation lever and m/c fork, also extends into the brake pedal, thus sharing the braking load with the torque tube. Wilson https://www.tm-img.com/image/cXQ6c Wilson from your photo we can see the clutch pedal does have the clevis pin going through actuation lever & pedal. On the brake pedal the clevis pin looks to only go through the actuation lever. There is a split pin on the left of the clevis. Thus the whole brake load goes through the actuation lever & torque tube Tim
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@ OZ 4/4
we are all adults and make our own decisions. having a morgan!
so either you start writing helpful and constructive solutions, or "just shut up"! this forum is about joie de vivre and positive attitude.
your constant negative comments are neither helpful nor constructive. on the contrary!!!
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I have heard back again from Morgan. My pedal box does need the support bracket for the brake pedal. Morgan say that this mod should be within the capabilities of any competent garage. I have contacted a couple of the local air-cooled Porsche specialist garages but have heard nothing back from them. Normally I would have chased them up during the past week but spent the whole week sorting out the consequences of a burglary at my French house on Monday night, where I was either gassed or drugged (ketamine spray) and was quite ill afterwards for a couple of days.
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