Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Plus Four, Supersport & Plus Six (CX & CXV Generation Vehicles) The Plus Six 'bugs me'

But as in everything, there is a balance. Most of us petrolheads dont want the fancy electronics. But do we really want floppy chassis, cart springs, drum brakes, leaks and bits that drop off? Surely you want a car that incorporates the best of modern design and manufacture but without the electrons whizzing round integrated circuits. Something like say the Lotus of the late 90s. Or indeed the plus 6 without that horrific gearbox.

After all, you mostly all go for modern engines in your Trad. Why stop at engines? Why not proper brakes as well?

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ABS is a valuable safety feature. I don't care how good a driver you think you are unless you train yourself in emergency stopping on a regular basis you will not out brake ABS in an emergency. When something happens in front of you, say a child running onto the road, you will plant your foot on the brake and lock up. You may have time to ease off and reapply but you will not beat the stopping distance of ABS. When I was a bike riding instructor I used to practice emergency stopping on a regular basis.

Still didn't stop me having a serious accident when a drunk driver turned in front of me

Regarding traction control: the same applies. How many times have we seen videos of drivers loosing control of super cars because they used too much right foot. As mentioned in another thread most Morgan buyers are no longer young. That equates to slow reaction times, and not all of us were hot shot rally drivers in our youth (even if we thought we were). I worry abut the lack of traction control on a car that has the power to weight ratio of the Plus 6. It is probably not needed on the smaller trads but even a Roadster must be getting marginal.

An automatic with paddle change can be a lot of fun but does take getting accustomed to. I often use it on the Jaguar which is the first automatic that I have owned other than the temporary ownership of a small Mazda when I could not drive a manual till I recovered from an injury. More and more cars will be offered only with an automatic gearbox so you might as well get used to it. The Maserati Ghibli is one example that springs to mind.

There are still those out there who believe the last true Morgan was a flatrad but the world moves on regardless

Believe me, when I open my garage door and drive this- I am “ escaping”

There's a difference between driver aids and safety systems. Basically, if a safety system (e.g. ABS, traction control) kicks in, and you haven't deliberately provoked it; you've got it wrong somewhere and aren't as good a driver as you think you are. I want those.

What driver aids does the +6 come with?

Also it will no longer be a choice, nanny mandates the nags are fitted with blinkers now.

I agree re being in charge of my car but at the end of the day when it rains on an autumn day and the wrong type of leaves are on the road you can be thankful when the V8 barks and the wheels just spin up with steering lock applied.

I'd just like to say that I am most definitely not in the "last real Mog was flat rad" category. I think I made it very clear that I'm totally behind MMC's modernisation.
I wouldn't buy an everyday car without all these "aids" and legislation wouldn't let me anyway. But I bought my Mog to have a different driving style, a change for fun.
That's all. I fully understand that things move on.

Just a technical thing though.ABS is a valuable safety feature because it allows you to steer not because it stops you more quickly. It's quite possible to beat abs stopping distances in a non abs car. The friction quotient is far higher with a locked tyre, so you stop in a shorter distance. Abs allows you to steer around the child, but you can do that by releasing the brake pedal. But for straight line stopping distance non abs wins.
Abs not good on leaves either.....

Nick

Abs is rubbish on mud and ice as well....

With ABS you can slow, steer and stop.
Without ABS you can stop in a straight line.

I had a session on the Mercedes World Stopping Straight. On both wet and dry I stopped in the shortest distance by braking jut to the point of ABS activation, but this was absolutely a "non panic" situation.
Panic braking on both surfaces, and trying to avoid a cone, ABS wins every time.

Except where the mud/ice is on one side / wheeltrack...