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Back on topic with a plot twist: I thought that I would phone the Paris importer, Beaumont Automobiles, because they have a new P4 with a co2 list of 164 and my Carte Grise application is held up because they claim 217. Any way, the chap I spoke with asked if I had the 110 model, which I do and then explained that the reason my tax was so high is because I had had the discount, i.e. the £8000 worth of freebies from Morgan. I think that I am losing my mind. If anyone cares to check their site, the P4 is the one with led headlights. The presence or absence of extras, other than sports exhaust and wheel/tyre size, has no impact on the CO2 level.
Peter, 66, 2016 Porsche Boxster S No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...
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Peter, I think this is a rabbit hole don't you ?
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I would ask Morgan for a corrected CoC. There is clearly an error, probably some CoCs were inadvertently produced with the emmisions of the Roadster.
If it is not corrected I think you would have every right to return the car. The cost of having it returned to Morgan via the dealer may well finish up less than eventual taxes that you may have to pay. If you allow it to be registered with the currently stated emissions you may well be faced with future "carbon taxes" every year and it will undoubtedly effect the the resale value of the car. If they revise the system of the Crit'air system you may even have restrictions placed on your use of the car even though it is homologated Euro 6.
There are only two ways out of this nightmare for you; have Morgan issue the correct CoC for the car or have it returned to the supplier and demand either a refund or a replacement car to your specifications at the contracted price and with a declared CO2 of 164.
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Back on topic with a plot twist: I thought that I would phone the Paris importer, Beaumont Automobiles, because they have a new P4 with a co2 list of 164 and my Carte Grise application is held up because they claim 217. Any way, the chap I spoke with asked if I had the 110 model, which I do and then explained that the reason my tax was so high is because I had had the discount, i.e. the £8000 worth of freebies from Morgan. I think that I am losing my mind. If anyone cares to check their site, the P4 is the one with led headlights. If I have understood everything right what you write... It sounds like a farce. A bureaucratic nightmare! What does your dealer's statement mean that you entered the high emissions because you saved money on the equipment? Is the dealer too stupid or too reluctant to help you? Why doesn't MMC obviously care how the customer copes with listless or incompetently thrown together COCs? How is one supposed to explain oneself except that it is unmotivated arbitrariness that exactly the same car is offered with the dealer at clearly smaller emission values? I looked at his web page. Or there is some missing info which could explain everything and my rant is unfair. If nobody wants to help you, get a lawyer. I'd be more than outraged if I were you. Especially if you take into account all the consequences Gambalunga has told.
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As I said I faced exactly the same issue and one of the consequences for me is a 50% premium on my yearly road tax. I don't know if it has been pointed out but the mmc website specifies the p4 as having a Combined Co2 205g / km emissions.
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So who is right/ MMC or the importer and other French sites showing 164? I don't think the dealer that provided the car acted in anything but good faith and I would buy from them again and I know that they were shocked to hear how much the carte grize would cost. It is however a warning to anyone else who might contemplate exporting their new P4 to France.
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As i said before the new co2 was already know in February when i visited the morgan stand at retromobile in Paris. To compensate those 10000 euros they made a discount of +/- 10000 euros In options on each new plus4.If you bought the car in uk It was not possible for your dealer to know the tax regulation Of your country.In Belgium the price is even not the same if you live in wallonia or in the flamish region.
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I still think that you need to get on to Morgan to clear this up. It is within their powers to issue a corrected CoC for the vehicle. The dealer may have acted in good faith but you contracted to buy a car that was not going to be subject to such a high tax. If the emissions are really at that high level you will either have to pay the extra tax, return the car, or otherwise dispose of it, but if you can get a CoC that states 164 for CO2 emissions you will be OK.
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Hello all, I don/t want to flog this, but you'll be amused that I have just seen a French site advertising a 2016 ARP4 and stating the cv as 8 and co2 as 164. Anyway I decided to pay up.
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Very annoying for you, but I think that was probably the best way forward. Try and put it behind you, and just enjoy the car.... 
Giles. Mogless in Paris.
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