Click here to return to the home page.
Classic Morgans
Who's Online Now
5 members (IcePack, Lordofthewings, Nickplus4, Pipmac, James B W), 294 guests, and 38 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
John V6 79
+8Rich 70
DaveW 68
Newest Members
Ulfulf, Wilfried, Classic-Line, BrunswickGreen44, Franco Morgan
9,203 Registered Users
Newest Topics
Supermax sprocket
by Laurens - 21/07/25 08:26 AM
Morgan 3 Wheeler song
by Dutch - 21/07/25 12:31 AM
Technical drawings, dimensions, 3D model M3W
by Oskar - 20/07/25 04:13 PM
Goggle eyed
by Roady - 19/07/25 06:16 PM
FOR SALE AERO8 series 1 WHEELS
by t50 - 19/07/25 12:07 PM
Lions Tour
by OZ 4/4 - 19/07/25 11:55 AM
Morgan rebuild on Facebook
by TBM - 19/07/25 10:50 AM
Latest Photos
Motorworld München
Motorworld München
by Oskar, July 20
visit to Classic Remise Düsseldorf
my book
my book
by Oskar, July 20
More Pictures of the MHR Visit
More Pictures of the MHR Visit
by DaveK, July 19
Visit to the Factory- Historic Morgan Group
Forum Statistics
Forums34
Topics48,337
Posts812,933
Members9,203
Most Online1,046
Aug 24th, 2023
Today's Birthdays
toitoine
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 7 of 10 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10
meabh #599894 18/10/19 09:30 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 15,794
Likes: 14
Formerly known as Aldermog
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Formerly known as Aldermog
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 15,794
Likes: 14
Originally Posted by meabh
Back on topic with a plot twist: I thought that I would phone the Paris importer, Beaumont Automobiles, because they have a new P4 with a co2 list of 164 and my Carte Grise application is held up because they claim 217. Any way, the chap I spoke with asked if I had the 110 model, which I do and then explained that the reason my tax was so high is because I had had the discount, i.e. the £8000 worth of freebies from Morgan. I think that I am losing my mind. If anyone cares to check their site, the P4 is the one with led headlights.


The presence or absence of extras, other than sports exhaust and wheel/tyre size, has no impact on the CO2 level.


Peter,
66, 2016 Porsche Boxster S
No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...

meabh #599901 18/10/19 10:08 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
M
meabh Offline OP
Talk Morgan Expert
OP Offline
Talk Morgan Expert
M
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
Peter, I think this is a rabbit hole don't you ?

meabh #599986 18/10/19 09:32 PM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
I would ask Morgan for a corrected CoC. There is clearly an error, probably some CoCs were inadvertently produced with the emmisions of the Roadster.

If it is not corrected I think you would have every right to return the car. The cost of having it returned to Morgan via the dealer may well finish up less than eventual taxes that you may have to pay. If you allow it to be registered with the currently stated emissions you may well be faced with future "carbon taxes" every year and it will undoubtedly effect the the resale value of the car. If they revise the system of the Crit'air system you may even have restrictions placed on your use of the car even though it is homologated Euro 6.

There are only two ways out of this nightmare for you; have Morgan issue the correct CoC for the car or have it returned to the supplier and demand either a refund or a replacement car to your specifications at the contracted price and with a declared CO2 of 164.

Last edited by Gambalunga; 18/10/19 09:33 PM.

Peter

[Linked Image]
meabh #599989 18/10/19 10:00 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
Talk Morgan Guru
Offline
Talk Morgan Guru
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
Originally Posted by meabh
Back on topic with a plot twist: I thought that I would phone the Paris importer, Beaumont Automobiles, because they have a new P4 with a co2 list of 164 and my Carte Grise application is held up because they claim 217. Any way, the chap I spoke with asked if I had the 110 model, which I do and then explained that the reason my tax was so high is because I had had the discount, i.e. the £8000 worth of freebies from Morgan. I think that I am losing my mind. If anyone cares to check their site, the P4 is the one with led headlights.


If I have understood everything right what you write... It sounds like a farce. A bureaucratic nightmare! What does your dealer's statement mean that you entered the high emissions because you saved money on the equipment? Is the dealer too stupid or too reluctant to help you? Why doesn't MMC obviously care how the customer copes with listless or incompetently thrown together COCs?

How is one supposed to explain oneself except that it is unmotivated arbitrariness that exactly the same car is offered with the dealer at clearly smaller emission values? I looked at his web page. Or there is some missing info which could explain everything and my rant is unfair.
If nobody wants to help you, get a lawyer. I'd be more than outraged if I were you. Especially if you take into account all the consequences Gambalunga has told.


'14 4/4 graphite grey
Heinz #599995 19/10/19 05:09 AM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 145
C
L - Learner Plates On
Offline
L - Learner Plates On
C
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 145
As I said I faced exactly the same issue and one of the consequences for me is a 50% premium on my yearly road tax.
I don't know if it has been pointed out but the mmc website specifies the p4 as having a Combined Co2 205g / km emissions.


G

Morgan +4 110 years edition
Land Rover Defender MY2014
meabh #600001 19/10/19 07:20 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
M
meabh Offline OP
Talk Morgan Expert
OP Offline
Talk Morgan Expert
M
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
So who is right/ MMC or the importer and other French sites showing 164? I don't think the dealer that provided the car acted in anything but good faith and I would buy from them again and I know that they were shocked to hear how much the carte grize would cost. It is however a warning to anyone else who might contemplate exporting their new P4 to France.

meabh #600004 19/10/19 08:10 AM
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 612
Likes: 13
T
Talk Morgan Regular
Offline
Talk Morgan Regular
T
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 612
Likes: 13
As i said before the new co2 was already know in
February when i visited the morgan stand at retromobile in Paris.
To compensate those 10000 euros they made a discount of +/- 10000 euros
In options on each new plus4.If you bought the car in uk
It was not possible for your dealer to know the tax regulation
Of your country.In Belgium the price is even not the same if
you live in wallonia or in the flamish region.

meabh #600148 20/10/19 03:14 PM
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
I still think that you need to get on to Morgan to clear this up. It is within their powers to issue a corrected CoC for the vehicle. The dealer may have acted in good faith but you contracted to buy a car that was not going to be subject to such a high tax. If the emissions are really at that high level you will either have to pay the extra tax, return the car, or otherwise dispose of it, but if you can get a CoC that states 164 for CO2 emissions you will be OK.


Peter

[Linked Image]
meabh #601356 28/10/19 04:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
M
meabh Offline OP
Talk Morgan Expert
OP Offline
Talk Morgan Expert
M
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,255
Likes: 2
Hello all,
I don/t want to flog this, but you'll be amused that I have just seen a French site advertising a 2016 ARP4 and stating the cv as 8 and co2 as 164. Anyway I decided to pay up.

meabh #601363 28/10/19 05:26 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 8,646
Needs to Get Out More!
Offline
Needs to Get Out More!
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 8,646
Very annoying for you, but I think that was probably the best way forward.

Try and put it behind you, and just enjoy the car.... woohoo drive


Giles. Mogless in Paris.
Page 7 of 10 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10

Moderated by  TalkMorgan 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5