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It can be calculated that a human produces about 18 grams per km when walking so by 2030 if 4 people walk away they will be producing more CO2 than if they drove away in a 4 seater

We just need to work out a way of capturing all that CO2 in the atmosphere and turn it into something else. But hank on. Isn't that what plants do?
Beware The Day of the Triffids

You mean something like this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process

This should be where the development goes , not knee jerk electric cars that are full of nasty chemicals and have a very finite lifespan, and no way to recycle the batteries once beyond their useable life (I mean beyond Tesla’s power walls and the like)

Hydrogen isnt the most sensible option either, the current estimates to convert our current liquid fuelled global economy to gaseous hydrogen is estimated in the trillions of pounds

Simon @ Sifab.co.uk

I’ve been told through a very reliable source that Morgan are going to release a new CX platformed car next year

Manual gearbox and going to be branded a 4/4 not a Plus Four although will be a 2 litre

As to price, it’s rumoured to be base price in the mid to high £60,000’s

Did the source say whether Morgan want this publicised? Will it help or hinder sales in the interim If people believe it? I suppose they are fully busy on the plus6 and 3w til then, so it doesn’t really matter, but if I could afford a plus 4 now, I think I’d wait and save up for one with suspension and the latest engine. How many current engines do they have to run out, I wonder?

Stewart,
This rumour has been going the rounds for a while now - did your "source" give any details as to what engine it might be? will it follow the usual Ford or is it part of a move to BMW low Co2 turbo's??

Cheers!

I’m guessing MMC don’t want specifics released until formally announced, plus with the car market so fluid at the moment, anything can happen in the meantime with development so it might not be that advanced and could change

If the price differential at base level is 10K between a plus Six with that awesome engine and power and a 2 litre petrol then there are always people I think who would go for the faster engine

There are a lot of Roadster owners who went for that over the Plus 4

I haven’t driven the Plus Six yet but I’ve heard it’s frighteningly quick so much so that one recent owner thinks that Morgan ought to put owners on a safety driving day course

If the CX car will really be called 4/4 then I think the production line will shrink to two models. There used to be a time without Plus 4 before.
And maybe it makes sense. The reason could be that MMC can offer perhaps the new 4/4 with two engines and/or different power stages. A third line of car models will not come for cost reasons and the point of differentiation between a new 4/4 and a new Plus 4 would too much if the wings are the same width I would say.

There will also be no more 120 HP engines, because the car would be too weak and too heavy for that. And it is boring to drive with such a good chassis without power. The feeling would be much less fun than my Trad 4/4 with 790 kg weight and 140 HP.
May be they start with 145 Ps or so. And another engine with 200 PS. Despite what I said before the CX 4/4 should be more nimble than the Plus 6 in comparison due to the lower weight and the better overall balance with a four pot engine.

The entry-level model of the CX 4/4 will be 20K more expensive than the previous entry-level model.
It would be nice if the new CX 4/4 would be a bit narrower than the six-cylinder despite all its similarity.

There are quite a few markets now where large engines & high emissions attract punitive taxes.

A CX 4/4 with emissions below 140g/km (preferably lower) could see me back in a Morgan. Anything higher than that is not for me, because of tax.

Interesting thinking on a CX 4/4 and +4 Heinz. I think my old carb fed +8 has perhaps 150HP which seems more than enough for the trad lay-out, though the later EFI cars no doubt have more, some much more, given the desire to modify one`s Morgan used to be THE accepted pastime for any Morganeer worth his salt...?

I have no real idea of the customer base of Morgan today, let alone what it might be in the future. I suspect in times past Baby Boomers grew up under the influence of a make do and mend culture, thus there was a good many of us out there looking for a sports car that could be maintained with simple tools and skills and could perform well. Whether by accident or design despite the archaic design Morgans could over quite a number of years give many a more modern sports car quite a fright.

I have memories of being overtaken by a 993 some years ago, it was equipped with a roll bar and had a rather loud exhaust, the country road was very open in places no houses only sheep to watch out for.... and yes that 993 owner was very surprised... (-: He did not spend as much time with a wheel or four off the ground, but in that particular situation the Morgan rattled and shook over the undulations and through the bumps, whereas the Porsche driver would I expect feel far less involved in the process than did I. Though perhaps more involved than he might have been before he overtook..(-:

I suspect the new CX Morgans will have much "improved" suspension and more sophisticated handling when compared with a TRAD, and thus may better handle a bit more HP with relative ease compared to a TRAD. However..such is evolution, that I suspect a CX will perhaps still provide a measure of RAW driving pleasure in comparison with the sophistication of a modern day 911, with perhaps it`s 400 or more horse Power to help keep it on the straight and narrow...... Perhaps relativity plays it`s part yet again when making sports car comparisons..?

The old Plus 8 might have had only 150 hp but it probably had heaps of torque for real world use.