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And this will be the end of Morgan as we knew and admired. It is time to close the factory or at least change its name, by 2020 Morgan will have ceased to exist. Another brand that bites the dust. Bye, bye, Morgan ... I see you are a real optimist Daniel. They said the same thing when Morgan changed production to 4 wheelers and again with the demise of the "flat rad". I think it more likely to ensure that the company still exists after 2020. Let me be pessimistic. Those changes belong to another era, to another time, they are another story, this is different. First they sold the company now the Trads chassis are gone ¿What would be the next announcement? Maybe BMW ends up buying the company and moving it to Germany. I personally think if BMW end up buying Morgan it could be one of the best things that happen, Invest will do what they can to increase value and move on - BMW would buy the brand purely because of a passion and relationship with Morgan, not so much as a money making exercise - so IF they did I can't think of a better owner to keep the brand going in a world of ever changing developments and increasing costs and a need to co-share these.
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It would be interesting to find out if the suspension changes made to Shooters car (and PeterJ's shocker change) mitigate the quite snappy transition to drift. I think some of the comments he makes about the changes would indicate that it is quite practical to do this. I know my Coupe snaps quite hard when pushed but the S2 is lighter on the back end and so gives me a few hops before letting go. Well, proper suspension tuning (corner weights, calibrating bump and rebound separately) always helps - but my albeit brief acquaintance with a Plus Six left me thinking there was absolutely nothing wrong with the chassis - although the self- centering steering return on corner exit is very weak. And this is why I think it can bite. Because the CX chassis is so good, you carry much, much more speed through a corner than I would in, for example, my old Aeromax. Imagine that, on corner exit, you open the throttle and find the Plus Six throttle is way sharper than the V8 Aero engine. (I'm comparing sport mode on the Aeromax auto box with the standard mode on the Plus Six!! and the Sport Mode on the Plus Six ups the ante even more). I didn't even try the Plus Six Sport+ Mode on my test drive - I was quite able to scare myself on the middle setting. I suspect there's nothing wrong with the throttle mapping on the Plus Six, it's just that without the extra 500kgs of a Z4 or Supra to restrain it - and with a much lighter rear axle loading on the Plus Six - it has a very different delivery in the car. If on a corner exit you've not unwound enough steering lock (remember, the car doesn't really help you with this bit) and you are caught out by how quickly the engine responds to the throttle, you are going to have a BIG surprise, and you will also be travelling more quickly at that point than you would be in any other Morgan. Kudos to MMC for building a proper 'raw' drivers' car than can bite hard. Me? I'm going to be honest and admit that 380 ft/lbs or whatever it is might be too much for me in this car. I'm awaiting a blown four cylinder manual CX which I think will be an absolute peach. And I will sell one of my 4/4s - and keep the other to remind me of everything the CX isn't.
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I disagree..! Morgan's USP is Ash, Aluminium & Leather, and the PlusSix has it by the bucket load.. Just look at the accolades from the motoring press, the magazine reviews on YouTube and all the vloggers, for some real excitement about the new platform.. A Morgan is different, home grown, exciting and something very cool to be seen in. The old guard Trad owners may be guffawing into their Sanatogen, but the newcomers to the marque are to be welcomed surely..? Just look at this photo from Evo Mag.. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2019/12/14/79824398_2929953663695386_848253661548118016_n.jpg) Great photo! That photo could have been taken right out of Evo mag's ECOTY car of the year , in that the Plus 6 SPUN much more than the other 5 contenders on track . This needs to be looked at by the MMC and sorted out , we want a gradual loss of control not a sudden letting go as we are in the drivers seat !!!!!!!!!!! Spun on track frequently .
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.....and you are caught out by how quickly the engine responds to the throttle...
Hopefully, a new owner will get used to it quickly! 
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A good point. Is the transition partly provoked by the sheer grunt of the turbo engine coming in in a wave? This was a common complaint of the first generation turbo M3/4 cars.
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When I moved from my 4/4 to the Plus8 the extra torque was very noticeable. At first I was “lazy” and it was like an automatic. The 4/4 with a cvh efi (1993) was great in that using the gears/revs to keep up with Roadsters/ Plus8’s was fun. The Plus8 took a bit of learning re response on exiting bends and roundabouts with rear end twitching especially in the wet. Straight line is never an issue but throttle control on bends definitely is! Learning to ease on the power through bends is critical. Without the myriad of driver aids you learn to drive the car by feel. I haven’t driven a Plus6 but from comments it sounds easy to be over enthusiastic on bends ( is that why no LSD was fitted?). A good 4cyl would be a very nice car with enough power but less torque to break traction of the rear wheels. It would hopefully bring the cost within reach too. I would be sorely tempted. Sell my Plus8 for a new Plus4 CX? Perhaps the biggest barrier after  . There’s something about a V8......
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It would be interesting to find out if the suspension changes made to Shooters car (and PeterJ's shocker change) mitigate the quite snappy transition to drift. I think some of the comments he makes about the changes would indicate that it is quite practical to do this. I know my Coupe snaps quite hard when pushed but the S2 is lighter on the back end and so gives me a few hops before letting go. Well, proper suspension tuning (corner weights, calibrating bump and rebound separately) always helps - but my albeit brief acquaintance with a Plus Six left me thinking there was absolutely nothing wrong with the chassis - although the self- centering steering return on corner exit is very weak. And this is why I think it can bite. Because the CX chassis is so good, you carry much, much more speed through a corner than I would in, for example, my old Aeromax. Imagine that, on corner exit, you open the throttle and find the Plus Six throttle is way sharper than the V8 Aero engine. (I'm comparing sport mode on the Aeromax auto box with the standard mode on the Plus Six!! and the Sport Mode on the Plus Six ups the ante even more). I didn't even try the Plus Six Sport+ Mode on my test drive - I was quite able to scare myself on the middle setting. I suspect there's nothing wrong with the throttle mapping on the Plus Six, it's just that without the extra 500kgs of a Z4 or Supra to restrain it - and with a much lighter rear axle loading on the Plus Six - it has a very different delivery in the car. If on a corner exit you've not unwound enough steering lock (remember, the car doesn't really help you with this bit) and you are caught out by how quickly the engine responds to the throttle, you are going to have a BIG surprise, and you will also be travelling more quickly at that point than you would be in any other Morgan. Kudos to MMC for building a proper 'raw' drivers' car than can bite hard. Me? I'm going to be honest and admit that 380 ft/lbs or whatever it is might be too much for me in this car. I'm awaiting a blown four cylinder manual CX which I think will be an absolute peach. And I will sell one of my 4/4s - and keep the other to remind me of everything the CX isn't. I look forward to driving a Plus6 at some point in the future, sounds like a bit of a gem although it clearly demands some respect. I wonder if people used to n/a might find it quite easy to get caught out when the turbos come on song..ok on a track but maybe less so on a tight country lane!
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