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Your comments about the south of spain etc dont tie in with Ruud's range figures not the real life nes from Tesla.

A 200 miles range would cover all the lng jouneys that we do these days but there still is the inconvebience. A couple of cars ago we had a Volvo S60 factory fitted with their LPG system. That had a real world range of 200 miles and like Tesla you had to go to a special place to refill. There were lots of them but it was still infuriating to have to divert and still annoying to have to refill so often. Compare that with my current Merc diesel which happile has a real world range of 600 miles.

Clearly I am going to end up changing to leccy but I am i no hurry to do so whilst th refuelling issue is so messy. What is needed is a 600 mile range so you can then schedule refuelling for when its convenient

End of life EV batteries don't get chucked away. They are re-purposed into storage arrays for virtual power plants/demand response systems for renewable generation sources. There is enormous demand for these, and the fact that vehicle batteries are generally lasting much longer than the original estimates predicted mean that the value is really quite high. That's what these installations are full of:

Nobody is denying that insensitive extraction of minerals can be very polluting. China especially is guilty of some pretty appalling environmental practice. They of course would say it's because of our insatiable demand for cheap products with no questions asked.

One might equally point to

https://sciencing.com/list-7459738-environmental-impacts-oil-extraction.html

or

https://www.wilderness.org/articles/blog/7-ways-oil-and-gas-drilling-bad-environment

or

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2016.00058/full

and so on and on and on.

However you want to spin it, the fact of the matter is that the fossil fuel industry has a much greater negative environmental impact than the EV industry, as multiple studies have demonstrated.

your computer generated pic is full of air "The site at Harker, near Carlisle, will be powered by a £25m battery complex that will be under construction soon." was to be finished 2019 , is it ? I can see the idea and its cheaper than trying to recycle which is proving very difficult to say the least , but these units will become scrap , as for mining , we have been for over 100 years so I see there is a lot more information studies etc , in the short EV evolution I can already see some massive problems appearing but as usual economics/money are guiding they way. I am still not convinced but need to go a mow the lawn (Kawasaki petrol) so will think about it

Tim -- I am in favour of EV's -- I just don't buy in to the eutopia that is put out - I think that cutting down on fossil fuel use is a goodidea too and where it can be done without producing other problems it should be . I do Not think all the consequences of a headlong move to ev's have been even thought of fully and I just counsel caution so we don't substitute one problem with another - just like the diesel arguments -- Now latest diesels are apparrently cleaner than petrol!! who'd have predicted thatone as they made diesel the pariah.

A further thing is that one big volcano will produce more harmful greenhouse gas into the atmosphere than all the diesel cars in existence since they were invented

I agree we need to clean up the planet, but theres a lot more effect and finance needed into saving the rain forests and replacing with New one's.most governments seem reluctant to follow this path.

Sorry Robbie, that myth is completely untrue. Humans emit 60 to 100 times more than volcanos

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...on-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities

https://skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

Robbie doesn't say more than human activities, just diesel cars......is there a figure on just diesel car emissions anywhere?
Nick

Is there one of these actually working anywhere? Or even a picture of a real one? That looks awfully like a computer pic to me
Nick