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Another 13 countries/ states have reported cases now since this mornings Sit Rep 53 WHO Sit Rep 54

I trust in UK scientists and their advice, which sounds logical to me.

There is no need to follow the panic elsewhere.

Lockdowns are way OTT.

But which UK scientists?

http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia/UK_scientists_statement_on_coronavirus_measures.pdf

They seem to think that if we don't take more drastic action, it's Italy here we come....

Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser

200 academics don't agree...

(I'm not disagreeing with your view but pointing out that there are other views and the reality is that only time will tell....)

they are of course entitled to their views .. but not their decision to make

Lots of Ph D students and computer scientists, I don’t see how they are any better informed than other thousands of academics who have not signed

From Reuters:
The group, specialising in a range of disciplines, ranging from mathematics to genetics, though no leading experts in the science of the spread of diseases,

I have to say, I'm more than a bit p*ssed off that the French government has shut down my business at 4 hours notice, yet still plans to go ahead with local elections tomorrow and next Sunday.

I accept that if it's considered essential to put the country into lockdown, then we must all play our part; indeed I've been expecting this measure, but not with such speed that I've had no time to sort things out with my staff, nor time to cancel food orders, run down my stocks of fresh goods & so on. If it's that urgent that it had to happen immediately, then why the f*** would they still be wanting all good citizens to turn out at the polling booths, particularly as the elderly tend to vote in higher numbers ?

It's completely inconsistent.

So basically this is the UK Governments strategy. Having observed how well cruise ships function in spreading the contagion when everyone is locked up in the one place we have decided to do the same thing with the whole country.

1. Sit back and do bugger all so that 60 - 70% of the population catch the virus to build up herd immunity.
2. When the inevitable 40% of those are seriously enough to be hospitalised you will have something like 25 - 30% of the population that will be seeking hospitalisation. Sure that is over an arc of time but by then the available hospital beds will be full and a fair proportion of the hospital staff will be KO too.
3: We know that those seriously ill and that most of the fatalities will be in the over 65 age bracket so the rules of triage are that when you are overwhelmed you have to give medical help to those most likely to survive, so we will not accept over 65 year olds in the hospital and we will tell them that they will be better off with home family care in their familiar surroundings - we are really kind that way.
4. We also know that without adequate care most of those will die, but hey, at least they won't be blocking up the hospitals. Stiff upper lip and all that!

Of course very few Morgan owners are over the age of 65 so that won't be a problem.

Just think of all the problems we have solved: less burden on the pension system and NHS with all those old buggers out of the way, the problem of our aging population resolved with a new immune younger population. Pollution levels reduced because we will now be able to scrap all those old cars and we won't need so many of those polluting cruise ships either. All those young people will be so grateful that they are bound to vote for us at the next election.

We will know if the Italian approach is working in one to two week's time. By then the those who have become infected but not showing symptoms at the start of the "curfew" will be showing symptoms unless they are part of the 20% sane carriers. If the number of new infections starts to fall in about a week from now we will know that it is working.

Personally I think I will sit here happily in my own home, only going out for essential supplies as per the government's recommendations, until the peak has passed and, with the warmer weather, the season ends. I will then go for my free flu shot before the next season starts which, I hope, by then will include some of that herd immunity,

I totally agree Giles. Perhaps they hoped to limit panic shopping.

I was shocked when I heard that they were going ahead with the elections. They definitely should have been postponed. It is very cynical if they expected to get some political advantage from going ahead now.