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Where I would take issue with you Lorne is over the 'Mogsport' Turbo conversion. I'm considering it on the basis of 'Third Party' recommendations by actual users; excluding our 'Speedmog'. Where did you get your number of installations from ?
It is not 'cheap' but a lot cheaper than your quoted GBP 6k, and hopefully the 'Duratec' installation will be in the same price range as the 'Zetec' when finally signed - off. Hopefully, it will also be in line with the 'Premium' charged for a 2.0 +4. Totally agree Robert  I have just spoken direct to Chas (a good friend of mine - so I cannot claim pure unbias) who tells me the facts of the case are some 9 actual low pressure turbo installations to date over some 18 months. All have been on road cars as the LPT conversion is about torque not power. See http://www.mogsport.co.uk/zetec.htm fro more details and the price. 
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Obviously, your passions run deep and I hope will you will explain them to me one day over a pint if ever we meet. Pleasure  - as long as your buying the first round I feel uncomfortable with you casting an unfair light on one really fine Englishman, in Halstead. Not sure why its unfair - I have never met him and got all I know from Pistonheads see http://www.pistonheads.com/features/reliant/  Why don't you speak with Stewart directly and find all the real facts of his history? I am sure you will enjoy that and hopefully make a friend. I, for one, would be grateful for your research. Better still I could invite him to join Talk Morgan  Friends tell me it is a very neat job and it is advertised as producing 186 bhp. (Tho that is likely too much for a non-LSD axle and the skills of a normal driver.) Come on Lorne that's less than a Plus 8 let alone an Aero.  However, none of the above suppliers recommend their turbo conversions as a wise choice for a Zetec engined road car. Is there another set-up you are referring to? Mogsport do  If i had a casst iron Zetec, I wouod deeply consider a non-turbo alternative. I dealt with a fellow by the name of Alan Fereday of Fereday Cars when I was searching for a big SPAL fan. He does Zetec upgrades to a perfect bhp for a 4/4 starting at £700.00. This type of Zetec upgrade is well proven and no risk. Yes there are lots of non turbo alternatives but most of the are high rev low torque more suited to racing. I know as I had the first Morgan Zetec to have a throttle body conversion. 155 BHP but needed to be revved to get the most out of it. Burton Power https://www.burtonpower.com have lots of useful tuning guides for all Ford engines (look under Technical) What power and torque does the Fereday conversion produce? 
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Does anyone know what the change to the insurance would be please for any of these modifications? I was pleasantly surprised to be quoted under £300 for a 2 litre with business use for a brand new car that will not be garaged. Got the distinct impression that it was because the car is classed as a classic – will adding any kind of performance kit give brokers an attack of the ‘screaming ab dabs’, or ‘twinging screws’?
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Had two Reliants - but both 'Del Trotter' type super vans. One of the great joys (not many of those) was being able to wave at Simitar drivers and point to the car, as in 'you and me, both Reliant owners' then just watch their expressions....!
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Does anyone know what the change to the insurance would be please for any of these modifications? I was pleasantly surprised to be quoted under £300 for a 2 litre with business use for a brand new car that will not be garaged. Got the distinct impression that it was because the car is classed as a classic – will adding any kind of performance kit give brokers an attack of the ‘screaming ab dabs’, or ‘twinging screws’? My experience was through using Philip Bell of Morgan Insurance. the key things were power increase and overall value. If your mods for instance were giving a 4/4 the power of a Plus 8 then you could expect to pay Plus 8 rates. Bear in mind that for unlimted miles on an Aero I am only paying about £500. My old semi race Plus 8 (about 265 BHP) was still only about £400.
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Had two Reliants - but both 'Del Trotter' type super vans. One of the great joys (not many of those) was being able to wave at Simitar drivers and point to the car, as in 'you and me, both Reliant owners' then just watch their expressions....! They are of course three wheelers and therefore to many Mog owners 'The True Faith' 
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True; if only they had put two wheels at the front, and one at the back...
Combining the last two threads, I once asked for an insurance quote for a Bond Bug back in the 70's - "£500 sir" "Yes, that's right, that's the value, how did you know?" "No sir, that is the premium......."
Thanks for info on insurance; suspect that I'll be happy with the car as standard, but always nice to know what the options & implications are.
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Robert, that's a really interesting way of improving the performance of the 4/4 and I am sure that we will all be interested to hear the results. When are you going to get it done and when do we get the results of your first test-drive. Will it be in-situ when we meet on the 14th?  Aeroman
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Paul, did you actually get to drive a 'Bug' ? I have forgetten what mine cost to insure 'Third Party Only', but believe me the Broker was doing you a favour - They were 'lethal' and had a tendancy to 'flip -over'; being 'Fiber Glass' that was the car written - off, not to mention the driver. Cann't remember how long I had the car for, certainly not long, and for most of the time it was 'Parked - Up' waiting for a buyer! To scared to use it after a 'near thing'!
No Brian, conversion won't be fitted until after the engine etc., warranty expires. I also need to get the car transfered over to French plates first. Even with a 'Conformity Certificate' new Morgans without Air Bags have to be inspected by the Department of Mines before they can be 'transfered over' - did someone mention Coal Carts!
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Paul, did you actually get to drive a 'Bug' ? I have forgetten what mine cost to insure 'Third Party Only', but believe me the Broker was doing you a favour - They were 'lethal' and had a tendancy to 'flip -over'; being 'Fiber Glass' that was the car written - off, not to mention the driver. Cann't remember how long I had the car for, certainly not long, and for most of the time it was 'Parked - Up' waiting for a buyer! To scared to use it after a 'near thing'!Robert Reminds me of when Graham Hill lead the campaign to get rid of the old fibreglass invalid carriages..... oh nostalgia... it aint what it used to be 
Phil Egginton 1979 4/4 4 seater
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