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DaveW #626530 28/03/20 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveW
4/4 rims are not wide enough for outside adhesive weights.

The Plus 4 and Roadster wheels, you could use adhesive weights, but they all tend to contain iron, and some will rust badly unless painted.

I haven't seen many (if any) adhesive weights on trads.


A decent spec digital balancer can be programmed with the weight position option - in/out, both or inner only, or even mid point mounted from inside on narrow rims, so you can use 'stick on'

If you want extra security just stick some SA foil tape over them

Those evil hammer-on, exposed weights can leave a nasty blemish even on stainless


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My 2002 Plus8 with alloys has adhesive weights. All on the inside so nothing visible. They are coated and no signs of deterioration after a few thousand miles. New last year but the old ones pre tyre change and replacement were also ok.


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Well done Morgan. At last, for me at least; having bought a new Trad back in 1998(8 year wait). This latest iteration represents the uplift this model needed for the good of the brand, but I will have fun running with my old "P4 XXX" plate. My P4 at top spec. back then came in at £28 K...22 years on; is £78K that out of step; especially for what most people would consider, to be for a more refined product.

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The comment "a more refined product" kinda encapsulates the evolutionary process ..err..forced on the MMC over the years to some degree...?

I well remember JHJ`s attempts at modernisation and Peter`s resistance, which no doubt held things as they were for as long as possible during Perter`s reign, though some change was inevitable given the weight of changing legislation. As for legislation I have a sneaky feeling that there may have been someone at the Dept of Transport in position who perhaps looked favourably on the UK`s oldest one family owned motor manufacturers... (-:

I suspect that surviving fast changing legislative processes was perhaps frustrating but surviving through the evolution in customer desires was perhaps a more difficult tightrope walk..?

As those baby boomer members of the dirty fingernail fraternity aged living with ever stiffening muscles etc. they were perhaps joined by a new breed around the time of industry cost cutting, downsizing, de-layering and lump sums etc.etc. Perhaps those folk more used to the advanced technology and comforts of their mid range to high end saloons, thinking NOW is the time to buy that toy I always fancied...to then find that it did not fit the rose tinted youthful dream, thus it either was rarely used or was modified in an attempt to make it fit more with the needs of ageing long term faithful, and those who became Morgan owners later in life..?

I watched the VBH road test vid, thanks for posting, it was the first time I had seen it and I thought it a rather reasonable assessment of Morgan, for when I bought into the idea of Morgan ownership I had spent quite some time researching, and by the time I took the leap, I well knew what to expect, and VBH`s description of her Morgan experience fitted well with MY expectations.... other that the steering wheel SHOCKER... Jeez a ham fisted kit car builder could surely at least have got that right, let alone the UK`s oldest car manufacturer... !!!

Fortunately such is the appearance of the trad lines of a Morgan that still appeals today on a number of different levels, though the buyers needs and desires of it have altered, sure there will ever be those desirous of a degree of vintage driving experience, though there will be others who need or want, the brakes to require less pedal pressure, the steering to require less effort, the suspension system to be more compliant the trim to be more plush, air con perhaps..Yeah I can well see the desire for all of those things regardless of the initial reasons that lead folk to buy your Morgan...The CX seems an entirely logical step in the evolution of the MMC, as for the stage of Morgan evolution that might be considered the ideal Morgan....? Each to their own.

I sure hope the CX sells well keeping the name alive and all those folk at the MMC in a job for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by P4CJL
Well done Morgan. At last, for me at least; having bought a new Trad back in 1998(8 year wait). This latest iteration represents the uplift this model needed for the good of the brand, but I will have fun running with my old "P4 XXX" plate. My P4 at top spec. back then came in at £28 K...22 years on; is £78K that out of step; especially for what most people would consider, to be for a more refined product.


I agree the new Plus Four is a great package and probably had to happen for Morgan to stay current but at a price.

I bought a new bottom of the range Audi in 1998 for £14K and a new bottom of the range but more refined Audi is now £19K. So Id say £38K compared to £78K is a massive difference.
Maybe the new Plus Four is more comparable with the Trad Roadster, howver the new basic Plus Four is £63K compared to the outgoing Plus 4's £44K

I'm only comparing cost new however as the Audi is an everyday car and my 1998 Audi will no doubt be in the scrapyard wheres your Morgan will probably still be worth most of its new cost price.

The market has changed however as there will never be an 8 year waiting list again and there are a lot of new or nearly new Plus 4 Trads on the market at the moment.



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Originally Posted by RobCol
Originally Posted by P4CJL
Well done Morgan. At last, for me at least; having bought a new Trad back in 1998(8 year wait). This latest iteration represents the uplift this model needed for the good of the brand, but I will have fun running with my old "P4 XXX" plate. My P4 at top spec. back then came in at £28 K...22 years on; is £78K that out of step; especially for what most people would consider, to be for a more refined product.


I agree the new Plus Four is a great package and probably had to happen for Morgan to stay current but at a price.

I bought a new bottom of the range Audi in 1998 for £14K and a new bottom of the range but more refined Audi is now £19K. So Id say £38K compared to £78K is a massive difference.
Maybe the new Plus Four is more comparable with the Trad Roadster, howver the new basic Plus Four is £63K compared to the outgoing Plus 4's £44K

I'm only comparing cost new however as the Audi is an everyday car and my 1998 Audi will no doubt be in the scrapyard wheres your Morgan will probably still be worth most of its new cost price.

The market has changed however as there will never be an 8 year waiting list again and there are a lot of new or nearly new Plus 4 Trads on the market at the moment.




Thats what we are all wondering on here , how to stump up around £35k plus to part ex ones Roadster or plus 4 to get a Plus four ? sherlock


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Yes. I am hoping the test drive will disappoint to avoid that issue


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Leave your wallet at home that day John , without Corona I am sure MMC would not have been able to keep up with Plus four orders from what we have seen, still it's a whole new world now.
I wonder still if there is room for someone to do a "Caterham" and continue on with the trad 4/4 tooling building small numbers for those that can't afford the 60-70ish new buy in to Morgan four wheeled fun or will the dealers and restorers mop up that market with existing cars...


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Hello, is someone knowing if the 2 new CX generation Morgan use an unmodified BMW original ECU or a customised Morgan one or even a Morgan specific one please sherlock ?
Thanks and take care

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Originally Posted by Dada
Hello, is someone knowing if the 2 new CX generation Morgan use an unmodified BMW original ECU or a customised Morgan one or even a Morgan specific one please sherlock ?
Thanks and take care

I would imagine it's a modified one developed for Morgan to delete a few of the unneeded integrated functions normally found on BMW cars. Anti-lock braking, traction control, cruise control, electric handbrake and possibly light bulb monitoring for example.


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