Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms 12 weeks isolation - what happens next

folks should make their own decisions on the level of risk they are willing to accept and act accordingly.

Don’t outsource your life choices to the Government.

Thank you MJF. Really good to hear positive news from a manufacturer's perspective. We have too little of this at the moment and it gives hope that there is a practical way through all of this.

The problem is not the level of risk folks are prepared to take. The problem is that those that are asymptomatic carriers and are prepared to take the risk are passing the virus on to others, some of whom may be prepared to take the risk but all will undoubtedly be spreading the virus to people who are not taking risks.

It has been made very clear that most of the rules and regulations that have been made, including the wearing of masks, are not to protect you from infection but to protect others from the infection that you may be carrying.

Imagine that you were at the top of a hill and had to get a truck to the bottom but warned to be careful because the brakes were a bit dodgy. First you would have a look at the road to see if there was a place to go if the brakes failed and perhaps you would be prepared to take the risk. Then all of a sudden you see that the road at the bottom of the hill is crowded with people - Are you still prepared to take the risk knowing that the results of your action might kill and permanently injure a lot of people?

It would be easy to say that by definition 50% of the population is below the media in intelligence and that 50% doesn't understand this simple fact, however it seems that many people I would otherwise classify as intelligent do not understand this.

If everyone understood that it is not about them taking the risk or otherwise, it is about them being prepared to protect others or not, the spread of the virus would continue to fall as it has during the lockdown.

Unfortunately if someone has just sneezed inside that lift it is exactly the closed room that scares you. If someone has just blown their nose and then opened the door I sure don't want to be the next to open the door and then scratch an itch on my nose. I want to wash or disinfect my hands first.

Exactly this.

"Don't outsource your life choices to the government" smacks a bit of alt-right thinking. Are we saying that we should choose not to obey the law? Just this law, or any laws we dislike being constrained by?

And if so, does that mean that we should not expect recourse to the law if we find others are doing the same? So what happens if I decide to set my own level of risk by taking active steps to reduce your ability to infect me?

I can´t agree.

A lot of people risk MY health and perhaps life. One reason is that they don't inform themselves!

In germany you have to wear face masks if you enter a shop etc. A lot of people told me they want not to use a face mask because they are not scared aboud covid. The dont´t know that a face mask mostly protects other people..

That would work if it just concerned risk to yourself. In this case though the risk has to include the risk to other people and wider society.

This thread is about what vulnerable people should do after 12 weeks of isolation. It is not about CV19 generally. I was making the point that those who feel really vulnerable should just continue stay at home and continue to self isolate, and not expect the Government to tell them what to do.

If you have hay fever, don’t go out to where the pollen is.

The benefit of government action/guidance/intervention is that it gives the employee some job protection/security against some of the more unscruplous employers.

It's OK to say that those who are at risk, or who are possibly contagious, should just continue to stay at home, but if the employer says 'you must come in or we'll sack you' then they have very little choice. If the Government has told them what to do, they can retain their job and more importantly, a percentage of their salary.

Depends on you. At 74 I am not going to leap out of selof isolation when they say so because the virus wont have gone away at all. It will still be there. Sure fewer "spreaders" will be around but I can still catch the bug and at my age survival chances are not brilliant.. So I will continue to isolate until the new infection rate falls to single numbers.