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Unfortunatelly if you answer the call from the right wing thugs (Tommy Robinson and DFLA) and then go and stand shoulder to shoulder with the right wing thugs, then it must come as no surprise that you get labelled as a right wing thug,

Same from the otherside - if you go a peacefully protest for the BLM cause, and that descends into vandalism then you will also get labelled as a subversive lefty rabble rouser......

I understood he had the guts to give himself up unlike some folk involved in the recent unrest. I am not condoning his actions but I appreciate that he came forward.

I fully agree TBM. The BLM has as always happened been highjacked by the extremists.

I think that part of the problems are down to inaction by those who can do something about a problem. They bury their heads instead of tackling the problem.
There are many examples over the last few years of this failing to act.
Jimmy Saville. Nobody seemed to want to deal with his behaviour despite many people complaining. Those “in power” were afraid to rock the boat or act properly. Witnesses to his behaviour who brought it to light were ignored and a cover up /hush up took place.
Bullying. Far too often it is glossed over without dealing with the bullies.
Racism. Racists are allowed to carry on with their discrimination and bullying.
Windrush. A shocking way of dealing with those involved from 50+ years ago. Ridiculous decisions to fail to process the people who came here efficiently, destroying records that would verify identity and has now raised it’s head with political decisions on controlling immigration. The Home Office actions in this are classic examples of how history is ignored to facilitate current politics. Adults who came here legally as children are being targeted as illegal.
In my view the Dominic Cummings incident is yet another closing of ranks and manipulation of events as an alternative to sacking him. Enough said on that topic.
As for the targeting of statues, many, if not most, of those commemorated had mixed history as both benefactors and tyrants. Removing these people from history is a massive dis-service to their victims. Slavers amassed dirty money and some used this to benefit their communities, as in the Bristol situation. Should the benefactors be vilified for accepting that money?
Surely there would be greater benefit in progressing society by keeping them in public view BUT pointing out the background fully. Deleting history is not a good move. Using it intelligently to move forward is a much better way.
A bit of Welsh history next.
Who knows about the Welsh Not?
It was an attempt in the 18,19,early 20th centuries to kill off the Welsh language. In school the first child heard speaking Welsh was made to wear a necklace with WN, Welsh Not on it. It was passed on to the next child heard. At the end of the day the last child wearing it received corporal punishment. This is one reason why Welsh has been actively preserved. In some cases job applicants are required to be Welsh speakers. Is that racist, discriminatory? There are Welsh medium, mixed medium and English medium schools these days but that causes problems with families who do not wish to have children taught in Welsh and those who don’t want the English only route. Nobody is forced down either route and options are available for both. You wouldn’t believe the animosity around it. How will this present day scenario be looked on in the future? Oppression by Welsh activists? Destruction of Welsh language and culture by opponents? Who will decide which ones were the good and which ones were the bad?

Interesting on the Welsh language. Before the war my father taught physics, maths and latin at Cardigan High
He also coached the rugby teams. The predominant language spoken locally was welsh, he taught in English but with many mutterings from the class in welsh. He was in digs with a chap who was articled to a firm of solicitors who taught him welsh, when his friend judged him able, he called his classes to order in Welsh, never a murmur after that. Not bad for a Bristolian!!! War came along and he was put to work on radar development and never went back to teaching and remained in government service until he retired.

I think that's the whole problem. If the people in power actually did something instead f kicking the can down the road then there wouldn't be the need to demonstrate in the first place.

I talk to a number of young people, most of whom are pretty politically active, and it's a very common view that without active protest, nothing ever changes. They see it as being a natural part of getting change to happen.

I remember the slogan in the 70's, "Come home to a living fire - buy a cottage in Wales".

Briefly on Cummings, Stephen Kinnock travelled the length of the M4 just to go to his father's birthday. Rosie Duffield went to to see her adulterous lover. Both Labour MPs. The scientist (can't be arsed to look up his name) broke lock down just to get his leg over. The retired chemistry teacher who said he saw Cummings admitted it was a joke and then travelled from Durham to Berkshire to see his daughter. Kinnock is still in the shadow cabinet. So let's have less hypocrisy from Labour and remainers. Cummings did nothing wrong according to the legislation except the trip to the sea.

If these demonstrators want to obliterate our history they must expect a backlash from a number of quarters. Now we have the National Trust saying that they will high light all unsavory history on all displayed at their properties.
I think that we should raise Bath to the ground, since the Roman's used slaves, ostracise all Arabs who's ancestors took slaves from the east coast of Africa, cut relations with all central Asian republics whose Khans dealt widely in slaves.

Slavery is abhorrent but not new and was carried out in times far different to the present.

You don't suppose he could have just been caught short and headed to the nearest bit of "cover" without realising what he was standing against ?

I completely disagree with you on Cummins, he broke the rules According to the police although was not charged. Being in a position of power he should be setting an example And therefore should go. How many policemen will have Cummins quoted to them when they are trying to uphold the law. I wasn’t aware of Kinnock and others but the same applies to them. Do not assocIates everyone who disagrees with you as left wing remainers!!!!

I think the reason why there was more outrage over Cummings rather than others is that he was that, as unelected PM, he was part of the team that set the lockdown policy in the first place, so there's an expectation that he'd set an example and abide by the policy that he had a hand in imposing.

Nobody (apart maybe from the Daily Mail and associated readers) have talked about obliterating history. A statue, that 99.9% of population did not know existed, of a man who 99.9% of the population had no knowledge of, was removed and chucked in the harbour. It later transpires that he was a key figure in the slave trade, and made a fortune from the misery of others, and there had been several campaigns previously to have it removed.

The 'history' wll remain, It will be in 100,000's of books worldwide, and now on several million web pages. No one is obliterating it. Just removing a statue of someone which is now considered to be in bad taste. Same reason that, despite raising millions, you won't see any reference to Jimmy Savile at Stoke Mandeville. No one is denying his existance, just accepting that it's not in the best interest to celebrate him.

I'd be interested in your efforts to tackle Slavery worldwide?