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britmog #650382 13/07/20 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by britmog
Originally Posted by Ruut Bianchi
So I'm not the only one! Mrs B has a new Mini Cooper with easy access and is very pleased with it! You cannot lock the car if there is still a key inside. For me the Tesla is the same. In emergencies I can use the App to get it "started". One time Mrs B stayed in the Tesla while I was collecting some wine at the shop and took the key with me. That left her in a screaming Tesla, the alarm has gone off and she could not stop it. She wasn't pleased.......!! So now, I am keen of letting the key in the car when leaving it with someone waiting.
The problem in the Morgan is the other way around: I am sitting behind the wheel and then: I forgot that I have to use a key, so that means a lot of searching in my pockets! Maybe a keyless go with only a starter button isn't a bad idea for new Morgans.....!???? hide


A friend of mine has a Tesla he drove into the Colorado Mountain wilds which meant he would need to charge up before the return journey, when at a charging station the cap would not open to gain access to the charging port and he was on complete discharge. He called the intergalactic Tesla help number, Elon Musk told him that it was an unusual problem and they would work remotely to fix it ,over an hour later they called to say no luck and an engineer would come out to fix it. Another hour later he receives a call from the nearest Tesla dealer to say they would bring a new cap but it would take 3 days to where he was. So having checked into a hotel, as no roadside tow service would touch a Tesla, he waited. On said day two technicians arrived with new cap, they fiddled with their computer and 5 minutes later the original cap opened. Cost him money and time then to add insult too injury he received a fine for parking in a charging spot and not charging!!! Moral of the story is don't go into the wilds in an electric car.


Luckily we don't have these mountains in our little flat country, that having said, I already made the trip to Austria for wintersport three times....! And my sons will lend the Tesla for traveling up north Norway! As to the charging port, if mine stucks (Model S, 2016), I do the credit card trick, but that is very seldom. May not apply for the newer charge ports and Model 3 or Y! I've a Model Y on order for 2021!


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I have had the rooftop event with the Morgan. We were staying at a B&B at Cradley, not far from Malvern, and went to the local pub, The Red LIon, for dinner. When we returned to the car park our hosts arrived just as we were getting into the car. I had the habit of putting my bag on the hood when it was up and then reaching up to get it before closing the door. What with the distraction of salutations I forgot it and did not realise until we got back to the B&B nearly 2 miles away. I drove like a maniac back to the pub and there it was neatly placed on the white line in the middle of a reasonably busy A road completely intact despite passing cars and heavy vehicles. Inside was the usual stuff, wallet, cash, ID, credit cards, drivers licence, reading glasses, passport and phone. Must have been lying there for nearly 10 minutes smile


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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ
It's more a case of "because we can" rather than "because we need to". Like so much electronic "carp" on modern cars swear
I hope the security of keyless entry cars has been improved - the early ones were pretty lacking!


+1 to that Graham, bring back starting handles and the ability to open the window with a rather smart winding handle on the doors. They never let you down.

I had a VW Golf and it was in the garage for electric windows repairs either n/s or o/s every 3 months banghead


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Had a "thought we'd lost the keys" nightmare two years ago and decided it was to be the last. Keys are now either in a pocket in our clothes or on a hook in the house (somewhere out of sight). If we are away they are on a clip in the bag we always have with us or in a pocket. It works. Not had a "loss" for two years now!


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Originally Posted by Luddite
While there is no point in denying the wonders of technology, boy can it frustrate an old git like me.... Having worked with some of this stuff as it emerged to then engulfed and made normal engineering logic it ever seemed I was faced with problems caused by programmers perhaps being to confident in their own logic in terms of the programme than trying to take time to consider human logic in terms of the mistakes they seem likely to make..? Yeah well making ever more complex systems FOOLproof is a big ask... But...?

I have posted this vid before but if you can get over the presenters "style" it seems to provide insight to programming that causes confusion amongst those tasked to resolve issues...? NOT that Morgans would ever suffer any such foible..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7gggowzPSE&t=192s


Developers being too confident - that is exactly the problem why first generation product go to the market without proper customer testing...
Welcome to the new world of complexity being managed by engineers of the old world...


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Mkiss, I suspect engineers are unlikely to be those making THE decisions..? It seems perhaps more likely to be the bean counters who control/limit development and testing in a bid to get product out the door..?

Seems I was up to my neck in the transition years relative to all sorts of equipment from old style engineering to the then latest high tec. Old style being electro mechanical where it` operation/failure was traceable with a man sized degree of logic, as soon as control became miniscule and digital, manufacturers favourite expression to extend and retain control was on the basis of intellectual copyright.... Which required THEIR tecs to visit site to plug in a memory stick with ver.umpteen, in the HOPE of resolving the issue... All very frustrating for folk who were formerly entirely self reliant....Glad to be well out of it now, and in owning a non-digital Trad.. smile

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Originally Posted by Alistair
Originally Posted by Peter J
I see that the next version of the iPhone software, due in the autumn, offers the ability to take over control of your car from the keyfob, assuming the car has keyless entry and keyless start.
I'm not sure I think this is a good idea.


Well it (and the Apple Watch) have had access capabililty to your card for payment for a long time now and I have yet to hear about a breach which is a good sign. Given the ease with which the current keyless go/lock/theft tools work for the theives I think it can only be an improvement (provided you have an iPhone of course)

As a matter of interest I wonder how many people on here

1. Have an iPhone
2. Have enrolled it in Apple Pay and loaded any form of credit/debit card
3. Use it regularly

I will admit to having to survive on it one day as I left my wallet at home. Train, Underground, Food, Food, Shopping, Underground, Train all worked.


Using Apple Pay on my Apple Watch is now my default way to pay, even if I have the cards with me!


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Peter J #650592 14/07/20 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by Alistair
Originally Posted by Peter J
I see that the next version of the iPhone software, due in the autumn, offers the ability to take over control of your car from the keyfob, assuming the car has keyless entry and keyless start.
I'm not sure I think this is a good idea.


Well it (and the Apple Watch) have had access capabililty to your card for payment for a long time now and I have yet to hear about a breach which is a good sign. Given the ease with which the current keyless go/lock/theft tools work for the theives I think it can only be an improvement (provided you have an iPhone of course)

As a matter of interest I wonder how many people on here

1. Have an iPhone
2. Have enrolled it in Apple Pay and loaded any form of credit/debit card
3. Use it regularly

I will admit to having to survive on it one day as I left my wallet at home. Train, Underground, Food, Food, Shopping, Underground, Train all worked.


Using Apple Pay on my Apple Watch is now my default way to pay, even if I have the cards with me!



The same for me, Peter!


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I have to admit I have an iPhone, but have never used Apple Pay. It’s always one of those things I never get around to sorting out....like adding a picture to my profile

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Originally Posted by Fuel.inj
Why on earth change a proven product like a key? These keyless systems are just something more to go wrong in an already over complicated product.


In the same way we moved on from proven products like horses for transport. Progress. smile

I enrolled with Apple Pay when the Covid pandemic started - on the basis that there's no limit on the spend and I could pay for petrol without touching anything. It's now my default for most payments. Very secure, very easy and not limited to £30 (or whatever).


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