Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms does anyone understand the covid rules?

Thank you for all your confidence. Now all you need to do is crowd fund several million dollars for my campaign.

Peter. Of course some particles will get past your bandana when you sneeze but it will limit the number of droplets that pass and hopefully reduce the chances of you infecting someone. I repeat that the simple masks are not, and never have been considered personal protection but are used to limit (if properly worn) the possibility of passing bacteria etc to others.

As you quite rightly point out personal protection requires a properly fitted N95 mask or better. Those with valves for exhalation (mainly used in industrial environments) will give even less protection for others than a simple mask or bandana. Those without valves will no doubt give better protection for others than a simple surgical mask.

At the end of the day you can't ask everyone to spend the money to buy and keep changing the expensive N95 masks, there would not be enough available anyway. In Italy a law was introduced to stop profiteering on surgical masks and they are now readily available at 50 cents each.

It is all about risk reduction, not absolute prevention.

There are plenty of well informed studies on the subject. You might like to read Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

That’s great Peter, but what do you think of the prospects of President Bob ?

Personally I think Bob has a Lincoln-esque look .... a stovepipe hat and a black suit and I reckon he could pick up a wedge of the rural vote .... might be worth cutting back on his theatre attendance though!

K

I see that apparently in Indonesia when people are caught not wearing masks in situations where it is required, the punishment is that they are made to dig the graves of people who have died from C19.

Seeing as less than 9000 people have died in Indonesia out of a population of 270,000,000 it doesn't seem they'll have much digging to do ...

But apparently on East Java they've only got 3 gravediggers available.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/anti-maskers-forced-to-dig-graves-for-covid-19-victims-in-indonesia/

A mask is part of a system for limiting spread. It is not perfect and has limitations but does add extra limitations when used in conjunction with social distancing and group congregating.
So, which social distance is better? 2m, 1m ?
Limiting contacts outside a bubble.
No mask, no distancing, no limiting contacts =risk level 1, a base level with highest risk.
Adding each of the 3 factors changes the risk level to a lower one.
They are cumulative so all 3 give a lower risk level. Removing any increases the risk level.
It all boils down to risk management in the end. We will not get a risk free scenario? In trying to protect a whole population it is wrong to assume total protection is feasible as the requirements for PPE, isolation, ignoring common sense instructions will never be achieved.
We can argue about the mask types ad infinitum but in practice it is the readily available ones that will form the risk level factor.
We are in for a long haul unfortunately.
As for the stats...bloody hell, what a load of poor info.
Negligible testing in the early days and Covid being wrongly used as a death cause.
Higher testing frequency now so NUMBERS of positives would be higher anyway and wrongly dangerous to compare to earlier results. We are not comparing like with like. Until we gat a stable testing regime then the variations in it compromises comparisons, an apples versus pears comparison.

+1 Good post.

A prime example of how you can really do everything wrong. Sturgis Biker Festival in South Dakota, it is estimated that about 240.000 of 450.000 people were infected. Masks...? What is this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...ked-266000-coronavirus-cases-study-says/