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So a “continuation” series of £££££ cars using existing chassis found somewhere and a shame to waste. Nothing wrong with that as it puts money into the coffers. Here’s the buggeration though, devalues other limited/last of the type cars?
Yes, sir, we are limiting the production to 50 cars as they will then be rarer. No more will be made, your investment is safe!
OK, maybe not strictly the case here but I remember a fuss when lightweight e-type chassis were found and built to original spec. Didn’t Lord March not want them at Goodwood as they were new with no history?

Anyway they look interesting. Aggressive. They look fast just parked there. Good publicity plus a swansong for internal combustion top end Morgans?

There are two advertised on Autotrader one with Syntner and the other with Hartley but with differing mileages and prices, it would appear that they are two different vehicles the difference is in the order of 2,000 miles. Plus 8 search

The Hartley one the Radiator grille "8" is offset to the left.. It's number 1 of 50 so they possibly think it more valuable.

As today they just found another nine V8 chassis that's kind of devalued the last 50 a wee bit in the real world..

I fail to believe it is pure coincidence that these 2 of 50 "last" Anniversary models have appeared on the market by chance, these dealers have been hedging their bets to turn a profit when the market is right and that vaporised overnight.

The MMC announcement today has made them realise that the value of these will drop with the extra nine appearing on the market and as Dennis was aware of the move a month ago so these dealers may well have been aware.

I'm sure the Italian masters will be pleased with the extra income, not so pleasing for their loyal 50th Anniversary purchasers that bought them in good faith that they really were the last of the line.

I don't have a vested interest in Syntner, Hartley or MMC just stating the situation as I see it.

The Sytner car has 2 Petrol Filler caps obviously not a standard fitment, I assume the previous owner did not like the usual slow filling problem.

How about.. take a blank chassis... mill up an approx 50x50cm mounting plate to attach to the bulkhead - tap and die the back end of a dry-sumped S62 motor (for endurance reliability... not just for its extra hp) and attach.. harad mounting the engine to the bulkhead - result is moving it back and down. Move back engine mounts accordingly and build a spider frame to mount front of motor to forward chassis arms.

Use a small fly and clutch pack. Short input shaft Drenth D400 or Hewland H or SGT and hard mount to the rear of the bulkhead plate. Flat floor engine bay (I thought the removal of that from the S1 was a retrograde step).

As for manifolds... in this set-up... from the exhaust ports, run long primaries forward 4-1 style into a vertically mounted cross over collector at the front of the motor.. then back down the LHS into the Left/NS wing. Ceramic coating from the primaries back

Run a Motec M190/M880 (or similar) with digital dash and run a solid state programmable PDU with all the switches built in.

Make suitable horizontal baffles to mount to the inner bonnet to split the heat zones... run the air intake to the base of the windscreen... I've always seen forward facing intakes on the Aero chassis being squashed over the top of the radiator in the small gap below the cowl. seems odd.

As for the body work... agree.. a few more vents would be handy.... one area learned from the SuperSport GT racers was the height of the roof and angle of the windscreen... it would be great to lower the drivers seat as much as possible and attempt an increase in windscreen rake whilst also lowering the overall roof line by a couple of inches.

On the rear diff... get a cooler in place on it and also site a cooler for the gearbox.

The diffuser could also extend slightly more... even on a road car you are allowed upto 100mm protrusion from recollection......and what about the rear wing!

I recall the earlier wishbones needed plate welding to stop them flexing under race conditions... obvs all that would need to be looked into..... ideally given its a GTR... carbon ceramics on the braking side of things. Centre lock and mag wheels.

Totally agree on the cage and also the addition of air-jacks on the front and rear bulkhead anchor plates.



In my more radical moments I have even thought about adding 6x3 inch ducts from the front of the inner wheel arch area through to the slope behind the wheel (but on the inside near the bonnet).... the intention it to help with the slab front of the front bodywork and also re-purpose the apex of the wing parabola as a dive plane.. so adding front end downforce rather than the lift it currently creates.

Essentially make it into a Panoz then.....

I like the symmetry of that with the bare plate it adds detail to it, and at least that one has been filled up a couple of times

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Sort of... but keeping the very top of the wing section in place as a dive plane.... rather than the Panoz GTR1 doing away with them completely.

Ah, of course, you noticed that the Bristol cars are Aero chassis, and Morgan describes the car as an Aero Plus 8 - I guess they're taking a hacksaw to the rear end to get the trad shape.

Go on then, how much of that list can be retro-fitted to an S5 Aero? :-)
And how much of it would make a useful improvement in a road car?

SSL's suspension helps make the car feel like the front & rear are working together - and I guess stiffening the chassis can only help the suspension work even better.

A c21 wiper motor sounds like a straightforward swap?

What would you do to put more feel through the steering?
I think it's about OK for road use, and I'm always up for more feedback...

& would these non-standard manifolds still be road legal?!

Will

Well the engine is likely to be limited by the emissions and selling it as new issue. Sports cats and exhaust obligatory.

I cannot see (but would like to if they are going to use that title) a real power change which is the whole point for me. Given the current noise around Plus Six's that self park in an unplanned manner, if bolt a supercharger on these cars it could provide a spectacular moment given the V8 can make it lively already.

Add the suspension upgrade kit a few from the site have already proven is great for balancing the car out.

Lighten, Carbon wings and things?

Manual gearbox and lowered back axle ratio for a bit of in-gear zing.

Tillet seats and a roll hoop.

A bit of steampunk brass and slightly beyond distressed leather. Almost bare aluminium interior (might have a heat issue)

As mentioned by others, don't lower it unless you dry sump it!

Stack digital dash

Dual sidepipes

I do love the colour of these cars.