Talk Morgan Forums Community Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan) Time for Electric Power?

The biggest cost of an EV is its battery. Battery pricing trends are downwards...
Lithium-ion battery pack prices, which were above $1,100 per kilowatt-hour in 2010, have fallen 89% in real terms to $137/kWh in 2020. By 2023, average prices will be close to $100/kWh
ref https://about.bnef.com/blog/battery...20-while-market-average-sits-at-137-kwh/

Leave your OCD at home, you'll want a newer one with the heat pump

Peter,

there's an interesting article here giving a back to back comparison of the well-to-pipe emissions of EV vs Diesel. Upsum: for a London-Cornwall return journey, EV cost more to fuel, took 50% longer, and had half the emissions.

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Will

Interesting....

I put a similar journey (Clapham Common to Redruth in Cornwall) into my EV planner.... leaving Clapham (home) with a 100% charge.

I would get to the Lifton Supercharger with 24% charge remaining - charge for 6 minutes taking it from 24% to 41% charge (£3.41 cost) and arriving at Redruth with 20% charge remaining. Total cost (one way) £3.41 and total charging time, 6 minutes. I have found in my ownership that the planner is unerringly accurate.

The same journey in my Range Rover would be roughly £130 and if not refuelling then 6 minutes quicker assuming I didn't need to stop to use the loo.

With thanks to Neilda I have now driven a Tesla 3.
It is not as other EVs.
After the test drives I've had over the last couple of weeks this was a refreshing change.

1. It is about as quick as the C63, but silently.
2. It is VERY quiet.
3. It isn't a cross over or SUV, the seating position is low.
4. I could get used to the single big screen
5. Good ride, great seats. Nor a sports car, but a stunning quick mile eater with a great (un premium branded) audio system.

I'm convinced. All the others, except the VW ID.3 are a generation behind.
If the EQA 250 is the best Mercedes can do then I am concerned about their future.

We have a further road test at Tesla Winchester organised for Sunday, so Caroline can drive it.

Knew you’d enjoy it! In part because it is so different…
HB

Well, a bit more than £3.41 as you still need to return the car to 100% charge while in Redruth. But the majority of cars would be cheaper than a Range Rover for the same trip

Yep, it would cost £8 to charge from 20 to 100% and get you back to London. Fair point.

Why do so many none EV owners dig out stories pointing out how they are less efficient and more expensive to run than ICE vehicles? Which is simply nonsense.

Why all the negative fear?

At least be like Peter and try them out. (Quite a surprise given that he seemed to like the idea of the Hindenburg)

I recognise we have to change we cannot go on as we are. I'm not certain whether this is necessarily the right answer and the only answer. Its an answer but not the only answer and we seem to be committing hundred of £billions to this path and may find it is not the correct one at some point in the future.

I'm not quite so sure that they are necessarily the 'eco' answer to private transport they are held out to be. Issues do still arise as to the eventual economic. environmental and recycling cost from eg sourcing materials for batteries to their eventual disposal. Currently electricity is far from being environmentally green, the massive infrastructure cost we have to incur and build to service 'eco' energy infrastructure from wind turbines, charging stations etc. From my school boy studies I seem to recollect that the energy costs of building a coal power station ( including transport, concrete, steel production etc) used to consume the equivalent of the first 20 or so years of the power stations electricity generation......

Painting a wider picture, there are real concerns as to eg whether reliance on interconnectors between the UK and continental Europe (we are building more of them) will not give us energy independence and will lead to political instability, 'bully boy' tactics as being displayed by France threatening to cut off power supply to Jersey to enforce their view and position on French fishing rights are a very poignant pointer to what maybe to come. Come 2026 when the EU:UK fishing rights are up for negotiation, the French will follow the same path as with Jersey and the more reliance we build on sharing the energy the greater the risk of economic retaliation is highly likely.

So if we had sufficient electricity generation capacity within the UK resources, I would be less concerned but we don't and increasingly it seems we may become more and more dependant upon outside energy generation which comes with considerable risks. Very much in the same way the EU's growing dependence on piped Russian gas (another fossil fuel) will carry considerable risk as the Ukraine has found out to its cost. I don't think enough resources are being donated to cleaner syndetic fuels which can use the current ICE resources we have to hand requiring potentially far less infrastructure change and investment to support.

I have nothing against EV, I'm just not certain that they are the panacea and replacing one current issue and creating a future massive problem for ourselves....a kind of delaying the inevitable. One really has to question what we are doing going forward, I understand from articles I have read that Bitcoin mining may now be consuming 40% of the world's electricity production.