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They may say that, but legally it's a meaningless statement.

Quite wrong - there is a world of difference between a decent guarantee and the basic minimum sale of goods act rights.If you sell something as seen , tried and tested then the area where claims are valid is severely limited. If that werent the case then you could buy from a scrapyard and claim for a car to be put back to "as new". Even the law has more sense than that.

Trading Standards Institute Advice

Used motor vehicles: your rights

This guidance is for England and Wales

When you buy a used motor vehicle from a trader, you are making a legally binding contract, which is covered by the Consumer Rights Act 2015. The law gives you rights and you are entitled to expect that the vehicle is of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose and as described. If your rights are not met, the law gives you remedies. An older vehicle with high mileage may not be as good as a newer vehicle with low mileage, but it should still be fit for use on the road and in a condition that broadly reflects its age and price. Fair wear and tear is not considered to be a fault.

Traders must not mislead you, perhaps by using phrases such as 'sold as seen' or 'no refunds', or by failing to disclose that the vehicle was previously damaged in an accident. Aggressive commercial practices, such as a trader engaging in high pressure selling, are also prohibited.

If you buy a vehicle from a trader by distance means, such as from their website, you have extra rights under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013. You have the right to cancel most 'distance' contracts and you have a 14-day period in which to do so.

You do not have the same legal rights if you buy a vehicle from a private seller as you do when you buy from a trader.

What are your legal rights?

It is an important element of a contract that the trader must give you specific pre-contract information as set out in the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013. The 'Buying from business premises: on-premises contracts explained', 'Buying by internet, phone and mail order: distance contracts explained' and 'Buying at home: off-premises contracts explained' guides explain what these pre-contract requirements are. If a trader does not provide the required information you can make a claim to have your costs (if you have any) reimbursed.

The Consumer Rights Act 2015 sets out what you are entitled to expect from a vehicle supplied by a trader. These are commonly referred to as your 'statutory rights'. The law also gives you remedies against a trader if your rights are not met.

Key rights:

the trader must have the 'right to supply' the vehicle to you. If they do not, perhaps they do not actually own it and could not therefore legally sell it to you. If this is the case then you are entitled to a remedy

the vehicle must be of 'satisfactory quality'. The description, price, condition of the vehicle, fitness for purpose, appearance and finish, safety, durability and freedom from minor defects are all important factors when considering quality. Public statements such as those in advertising or on labelling, made by the trader, the producer or their representative about the vehicle, must be accurate and can also be taken into account when deciding if it is of satisfactory quality. If the item is not of satisfactory quality you are entitled to a remedy

if you make a trader aware that you want the vehicle to be 'fit for a particular purpose' (even if it is something that it is not usually supplied for) then you have the right to expect it is fit for that purpose. If the item is not fit for purpose you are entitled to a remedy

you have the right to expect that the vehicle is 'as described'. For example, does the engine size match its description? If the item is not as described you are entitled to a remedy

if you see or examine a sample, then the vehicle must 'match the sample'. If the item doesn't match the sample then you are entitled to a remedy

if you see or examine a model, then the vehicle must 'match the model' - for example, the model you are supplied with must be the same as the one you examined online. If the item doesn't match the model then you are entitled to a remedy

If the receipt is written out properly by the dealer there will be effectively no warranty.
I would assume for something like the car Allon White had for sale recently with a cracked chassis that it would say that the car needs extensive repairs s and a replacement chassis before it be considered roadworthy. You would have absolutely no hope of enforcing a warranty claim.

On the other hand if bought from a less scrupulous dealer who didn’t mention the cracks & it failed an MOT on it next week, you would have some recourse. There is also the price to consider, if sold at market price for a perfect car that would be taken into consideration.

As a buyer to protect yourself on some thing like the AW car you would want the receipt to say engine in good working order etc so that if it isn’t you have some recourse.

As for dealer pricing, they know their market and will pitch at a level which gets them the best margin they can consistent with shifting the vehicle in a reasonable time scale.If the vehicle is on consignment, which most such cars are at the moment, then the price is decided as much by the owner as by the dealer.

Given WFH and other elements like the entire S/H car market going up I figure this should have gone up further as more people are looking for that fun moment.
The recent listing of SS and GT series at £150k+ makes for a different picture if it should stick?

The key is buyers with appetite and a chance to drive one, which changes it to a likely. I still remember my first drive in the S1, it made it happen, not then but it was going to happen after that.