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The Merc Barrister is maybe still in the mix even though the FIA cowboys think it's over, they work on precedent remember..

Andrew Benson on Auntie live feed, I suspect and hope he is right..

I suspect this hasn't ended here. The second protest by Mercedes has been rejected, I don't think Mercedes are going to be happy about that.

Lots of people up and down the pitlane have got questions about how the FIA have handled this race.

I have spoken to people who think if it had not been a world championship decider it probably would have ended behind a safety car.

Where the rules followed correctly?

Was the way things were dealt with by FIA race director Michael Masi appropriate?

All these issues need to be discussed.

The creditability of the sport has been brought into question this weekend and I think a lot of people will have serious questions about what has happened.

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What a mess. Sadly it seems the rules are as fluid as they are at number 10

Well, that’s me done.

I watch F1 as a sport but have hated the hybrid/Pirelli era which has stifled innovation. And, undoubtably, since Liberty took over, it has become just entertainment. Unnecessary safety cars and red flags together with extremely dubious use of the rules by the race director to “spice things up” for the mass viewing public have made it unwatchable. In this regard Ross Brawn hasn’t been at all helpful.

To hear Coulthard and Webber applaud Verstappen’s driving and that F1 needs “new blood” winning the championship (aks Lewis has won enough) is appalling.

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I've felt for some time that the Race Director should do just that, but one way only. He should have no direct contact with a team or TP and certainly not engage in any conversation or negotiation over decisions.

IMO it will prove to be a shallow victory for Max that will haunt him in future interviews and discussions with pundits. I wonder if Lewis would really want to be handed victory after a heated legal case. If he has any sense he will get his head down and work to prepare next year.

They would be fools if they did go that route - it will spoil the end of what for F1 was the most exciting season for decades and it will be see like moaning. More to the point Mercedes have won anyway - they got the Constructors Championship and that the one that really matters. The drivers chanpionship is for Lewis to worry about.

My Ferrari has a plaque inside recording Ferrari chanionship wins - they are the Constructor championship not the drivers.

Yes I realised that about the constructors championship and once Perez retired it was job done really but I think Toto is helping Lewis with this appeal plus making the Race Director and stewards look stupid(er) otherwise the stupidity will continue.

The drivers championship was won and lost over the whole season, there were dozens of wasted opportunities for both. Lewis has been magnanimous in defeat and allowed Max his glory and that’s how it should be left, they might as well say nobody has won other wise, next year Lewis will be even more focused. I’m not convinced about George, even if the U.K. media hail him as the second coming, I know next to nothing about him and yet I’m finding it hard to like him because of it, but surely he’ll be a better support driver the Bottas.
I had a gut feeling Lewis was doomed the moment Brundle interviewed that talentless fool “Stormsy”, as soon has he said Lewis would be victorious, it was jinxed, anything that guy says is rubbish.

The cars are too complex, the rules are too complex, it's become nothing more than a computer game.

I didn't even watch the finale.

What would people like Moss and Fangio make of it all.

It is awkward isn't it. The reality is that the constructors championship is the key one but everyone focuses on the drivers ranking.

It would be better if the final race of the year had a double ceremony. One for the race itself and then one for the final drivers and constructors standing. At present it is just one for "the race" which seems to be a bit of a gap. Mind you if it means we don't have to go through all the anthems and other clutter that would also be good. The day we start seeing cheerleaders I know I am switching off. It would be great if the team celebration had everyone from the garages up on a stand for example.

Yes Lewis dealt with it like a Pro yesterday unlike Max the week before.

I wanted Max to win this year but not in this manner. In truth I have to say the team and Max won yesterday. With a slower car and a bad start the choices made during the race for tyres etc left them as close as they were. I definitely agree that had it been any other race in the year they would have finished behind the safety car and the outcome would have been different. I was actually quite impressed with how race control handled the first lap incident of Max once again driving Lewis off the track on the bend and not making him hand it back.

I would like it if the race director had to do a "continuous communication" like the advanced driving test. This could be recorded into a video session which could then be questioned later. A little like an airliners black box. That would bring a spot of transparency and keep the focus on parity.

I don't think anyone is going to be able to spin a smart way out of this one. I am guessing it will stand and a lot of dodgy background discussions will take place which may even compromise next year. Once the dodgy genie gets out of the bottle it's a sod to get back in.

Masi has dropped some absolute beauties.
In a previous race negotiating with Red Bull about a decision on repositioning of RB and Merc cars but no consideration for the third car in the middle of it all. Any incident is the job of the stewards and the race director should just make sure they act properly.
It is good to see someone challenging Lewis and Merc but there are questions over how.
Max drives aggressively and reminds me of Senna. Brilliant but a bit bullying. “ get out of my way or we collide”.
I saw his last lap dive inside as an example of that. Lewis had no option but to go wide and concede. Collide and Max wins, or hope he could pass him but unlikely due to tyre performance.
I wonder if Masi will stay as race director?
It will certainly cause debate over the entertainment versus true racing arguments.