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The answer to this question lies in whether Ford used the same engine Stateside on the Contour, Taurus and Escape cars. If they did, then I'm pretty certain that the Series 1 and Series 2 Roadster basic engines are to all intents and purposes identical. Including the camshafts. The big uncertainty in my mind is whether Ford modified the engine in the Escape compared to the Contour. The Ford Contour engine ( i.e. the American Mondeo ) had different air intake, exhaust and more importantly different ECU mapping compared to the Engine shipped to Europe for the Mondeo. However the base engine was identical from what I can see from my investigations. The US spec Contour had 201hp compared to the European Mondeo ST220 having 222hp which relates very closely to the Morgan S1 v S2 engines having 223hp v 201hp (could be translation differences between SAE or DIN etc). The big difference is in the ECU and mapping which is why I think it's relatively easy to bring the S2 engine up to the S1 performance specs. However all that goes out of the window if Ford US modified the Contour engine when they fitted it to the Escape but I'm still working on that question  For me, the next big question is what did they do to upgrade the engine in the S3 ???? Just think about how bad Morgan exhausts are….
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Just think about how bad Morgan exhausts are….
Do you mean the restrictive flat baffle only a few inches in, on the main silencer ? Simon
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Just think about how bad Morgan exhausts are….
Do you mean the restrictive flat baffle only a few inches in, on the main silencer ? Simon That doesn’t help I’m thinking more of the fact that the exhaust manifolds are always far too short, and of a restricted diameter. They’re designed to a cost, not a performance
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I wished you hadn't brought that subject up Simon. I did a lot of studying on my old 4/4 system when I was tuning the 1800 Zetec and subsequently swapping to the 2 litre Zetec and I came to the conclusion that the Librands Manifold wasn't too bad. Not optimum but tolerable. Anyway, prompted but your comment, I have been looking at the Roadster manifold. It's dreadful. The centre primary is only about 6 or 7 inches long and all 3 primaries are different, the longest being about 10 inches. The collector doesn't look too clever either. Now I'm not an exhaust manifold specialist by any means but I'd wager a fair bet that there is a lot of extra horsepower to be had "simply" by extending the primaries. Packaging looks difficult though which is maybe why Librands haven't done one. Hey Ho 
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I wished you hadn't brought that subject up Simon. I did a lot of studying on my old 4/4 system when I was tuning the 1800 Zetec and subsequently swapping to the 2 litre Zetec and I came to the conclusion that the Librands Manifold wasn't too bad. Not optimum but tolerable. Anyway, prompted but your comment, I have been looking at the Roadster manifold. It's dreadful. The centre primary is only about 6 or 7 inches long and all 3 primaries are different, the longest being about 10 inches. The collector doesn't look too clever either. Now I'm not an exhaust manifold specialist by any means but I'd wager a fair bet that there is a lot of extra horsepower to be had "simply" by extending the primaries. Packaging looks difficult though which is maybe why Librands haven't done one. Hey Ho It’s not difficult , but is costly A properly designed and fabricated set of manifolds for the Roadster would be £3.5-4K And they do make a lot more power…. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2022/01/02/F69E6065-B5EC-4BA1-A820-B7960429F37E.jpg)
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Beautiful pipework. Did you make those for the race car?
Can you still get a road legal cat in as well?
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Hello Simon
It's about time you started to make manifolds to break the Librands monopoly.......
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Beautiful pipework. Did you make those for the race car?
Can you still get a road legal cat in as well? Yes that was fully road legal That car is back out next year in the challenge Albeit being looked after by one of my former employers, so won’t be as quick as I could make it Hello Simon
It's about time you started to make manifolds to break the Librands monopoly.......
J I don’t do exhausts, I can’t compete with the people that make them day in day out Librands don’t make anything, it’s all bought in, As is Wolf performance We make everything in house I’ve got so much money tied up in machinery and equipment it’s frightening But it’s the only way to make sure we hit our quality targets absolutely every time If somethings not right We won’t ship it There aren’t t any half measures
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We talk a lot about the performance HP differences of S1 and S2. I don't have the measurements at hand but I had the impression at the time that the S2 engine had a very nice torque curve for cruising. Even if the torque was not stronger, my impression was that it was at slightly lower revs and the machine seemed very silky and elastic if less rev-happy top out. Whatever the reasons were, the mapping or the components like the exhaust manifold.
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