Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms Dangerous driving

IMHO it's not a lack of training just a lack brain. I'm afraid it's a continuation of the "I've got lots of money and can do as I like" attitude.

It will be interesting to know, if the driver is successfully prosecuted, what penalty is issued. If they have points (as is likely for someone who is prepared to drive like that) they may have a problem.

Have other TMers with dash cams submitted footage? I have to say I had a little reservation about doing so, but on the other had he was only a jot from wrecking Henrietta or, perhaps, injuring or killing other drivers.

We don't have a dashcam on the 3-Wheeler. But when we do "short fighter missions" or "Long Range Campaigns" we usually have the GoPro installed. But it's not filming all the time; only when we see a nice spot or beautiful scenario.

But on the new Land Rover Defender: YES. It's an option that I specifically asked for! I am a believer regarding the dashcams footage. Permanent recording in HD front and back may one day save your day! With the dashcams recording, psychologically I feel more "secure", in the sense that I know I have nothing to fight for against another driver in case of an incident. What happened is recorded. Nothing to discuss.

No. I am not a vigilante. I dont like the idea of a society where we spy on each other and report people making mistakes / doing silly things when there were in fact no consequences.

I agree with you Howard, we all make silly mistakes from time to time. However, having just driven home from Pembrokeshire today there are a few numbskulls about aren't there!

I take it, then, if you saw someone breaking into a house, or stealing a car, or mugging someone, you wouldn't call the police. And who is the judge of what "no consequences" amounts to?

I have a great idea.... Perhaps if the authorities upped our credit score for every transgressor that we report to the neighbourhood party official... What..that is already in place somewhere..????

Ah, the Chinese 'Social Credits' concept.

It does on the face of it seem a bit weird that although everyone is quite happy with the idea that society punishes people for actions which are deemed anti-social, we are extremely reticent at the idea that society should have a mechanism for positively rewarding behaviour that is pro-social.

In a democratic society I can't see a problem with it - so long as the appropriate legal framework is in place and can't be changed willy-nilly. It's the natural extension of the well-established 'nudge' principle that's been used for years.

Simple. Your first examples are of serious crimes committed. As for your second sentence - was there an accident? Was anyone hurt? Or was it simply just the sort of stupid thing we all do at times and overwhelmingly get away with?

The problem is that reporting behaviour to plod involves personal judgement of who to report and in what circumstances. You see stupid behaviour all the time - drivers on the phone, wild overtakes, unsupervised kiddies on the pavement whilst mother talks on the phone. You might dismiss such events but others might not. And then of course there are offences like dropping litter. Paying in cash for a job "no vat"? The list goes on.

Anyway, I'm not posting to have an argument , not least because I havent seen the video. Simple expressing disquiet that before you know it you have the sort of stasi culture where people report their neighbours for behaviour they dont like.

Last week I played golf with an ex work colleague, a police Inspector.
We chatted about driving...I went to the golf in my Mog and he loves the car.
One topic was about positioning on a road to increase vision by extending the line of sight. Basically keeping right on left bends, left on right bends. It is part of what police are taught in their training. I think the IAM promote it too. Obviously it must be done safely, no crossing solid white lines, going too far over etc..
However, some people will see it as, at best, erratic and others as dangerous. Some might assume a drink/drugs driver.
I have a dashcam. Why? As a means of evidence in case of an incident but definitely not to become a vigilante.
If you go on youtube there are many examples of footage, even some channels by out and out vigilante type people.
Would I pass on footage? Yes, if to add to evidence of an incident. There are so many minor mistakes, errors though and, being guilty of some myself ( who is a perfect driver?) it would need to be something really stupid/ serious.