Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Plus Four, Supersport & Plus Six (CX & CXV Generation Vehicles) Safety Recall - Brakes

I'm sure MMC has considered long and hard it's advice to owners understanding the implications for its dealer network, owners etc. and it appears many people naturally are trying to second guess the advice. Whilst it may be very inconvenient and poor timing most owners are not solely reliant upon their Morgan as their main means of transport, that doesn't detract from the real issue of getting them fixed may represent. If this had happened to me, I would be pretty pissed off especially coming up to the main holiday season and all the planned summer events.

I'm just about to head off on a trip around Ireland in 10 days time planned in my Morgan, the long range weather forecast is pretty crap with predicted Atlantic storms and it looks like the hood will never be down all the time we are there, and there's nothing worse in my humble opinion than being stuck hood up in warm heavy rain for days on end in a Morgan even with air conditioning, Closer to the time if the forecast holds true I'll just go across in the Merc, yes it may be slightly disappointing if we don't use the Morgan as its for touring hols away we bought it, but its more important to enjoy ourselves with friends and family than worry about what conveyed us there. There will be other future opportunities to get the Morgan out and enjoy a long trip in it.

However, if your insurance is not in effect and you continue to drive, you are driving uninsured which is a criminal offence and should you be involved in a serious accident then further more serious charges may arise, that's ignoring the potential civil actions that may ensue. It's just not worth the risk, not withstanding how annoying and frustrating it all is, and unfortunately how long it's going to take to roll the programme of repairs out.

Once you know there is a potential safety issue, you enter a huge potential exposure...MMC (and I suspect driven by their owners) have done the only thing a relatively small enterprise can do and played it very safe.

This is very similar to the small scope problem with the brake pedal on v early M3Ws that happened a few years ago (we were affected and had the same "do not drive until fixed" advice....albeit, the dealers were not so promptly told about it on that occasion).

A bigger deeper pocketed business might take more risk if they had evidence a problem was unlikely to create a number of serious incidents (which I understand this has not (yet) done for CX cars)

Hope the dealers can sort this for CX owners reasonably quickly

I hope that the engineering detail of this emerges, so we know what the issue is.

It hints at master cylinder seals, but that's only my assumption.

Whatever needs attention, means sourcing enough components to deal with every CX, so that might add delay. And how will that impact on production?

You assume correctly Dave! The details are on the DVSA website: PREMATURE DEGRADATION OF THE RUBBER SEALS IN THE BRAKE MASTER CYLINDER

Reason for recall
Investigations have identified premature degradation of the rubber seal(s) in the brake master cylinder compromising brake performance and in extreme cases causing brake failure.

How to check if the vehicle is recalled
Contact the local MORGAN dealership or manufacturer. You will not need to pay for anything involving the recall.

How the manufacturer will repair
Replacement of the master cylinder or the master cylinder seals.

Number of affected vehicles
1274

(Note that the site asks you to specify Plus Four or Plus Six and year of manufacture, but the details are always the same).

A different but related recall was made some years ago due to low quality
Chinese-made Girling reproduction master-cylinders for classic cars.

So replacement master cylinder or seals then...

OK... so same seals replaced might well cause the issue to recur, if the cause is the machining of the bore.

If the cause is the spec of the seals, that's harder to understand since brake seals tech is old school.

Either way this is going to run for a while. I wonder if the same m/cyl is used on the Super 3?

Well that makes a change, having the AMG version benefits! Apparently the Brembo brakes fitted to the super lump turbo are not subject to the recall.
Sorry for all you CX owners not being able to enjoy yourselves in this lovely weather.

Value engineering at its best?
Master cylinders are not exactly Modern technology and failure t 2 to 3 years is simply unacceptable.
Whoever signed off the supplier should be let go.

It will be interesting to see who the supplier of these parts is...(was?)
It smells to me of buying the cheapest master cylinder available.
A quick web search suggests that replacement master cylinders from Brembo are less than £150.00... "no name" are as little as £40.00!


At least the CX master cylinder is accessible, unlike the Aero chassis cars.

Exactly, and I'll listen !

The master cylinder seals in my 1971 4/4 lasted from 1971 to 2010 until they needed replacement! Just saying......

Arwyn