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The Plus Four and Six generation I suspect will be left without the option of hands on but that's the way it is all going really.
And that to me is the really bizarre thing. Modern cars need far less servicing that old stuff, and it's easier than ever for home owners to do it themselves. No need to adjust tappets or carburettors or ignition systems, spark plugs need changing every 50k miles, modern synthetic oils last 12k miles or more. Brakes and running gear are just as they have always been, just need cleaning and checking. All you need is a laptop and a copy of the relevant software (I bet Bimmercode would work for the CX cars) and away you go. Plug it in , read the diagnostics, reset the service counters, do an oil and filter change, and away you go. I did all the servicing on our Fiat 500 for the 7 years we owned it and I think I needed 3 tools (brake bleed spanner, oil drain plug wrench, screwdriver). I bought a copy of the software that will do pretty much all Fiat models for £125, and the Mini SE doesn't even need that, just a brake inspection and fluid change every two years, and the cabin filter changed. What a dealer stamp will never tell you is how long the mechanic spent just pottering around the car, cleaning, inspecting, and adjusting all those tiny little bits and pieces that make the difference between a car that's been properly looked after and one that has been merely maintained. I do find it worrying that the people who know the least about their cars, and therefore need to have the most trust in whoever it is that has been looking after it, seem to put their faith in the most unreliable means of assessing it. Dealer stamps mean bugger all. This is why you need to build a relationship with a trusted dealer like BHM and listen to what they say, or be prepared to pay for a professional inspection from an independent. Here Here! 
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Dealer service history may carry some weight, subject to who the dealer is. When I bought my 2006 4/4 70th Anniversary it had a full dealer history stamped service book with every annual service done by the same dealer. I bought it with a fresh full service and MOT.
Within weeks I needed to change the tyres (age related) and the tyre dealer struggled to get the spinners off, they were so tight, the wheels clearly had not been off for years, I found the spark plugs hadn't been removed in years. One was rusted into the block and it took Matt at Life's all his years of experience to eventually remove the plug especially when the top of the spark plug sheared off. So much for the value of some dealers service history.
Whilst there are some very good home mechanics, I prefer to find a good reliable specialist service agent to perform all my servicing work, they have far experience than I have and most will undertake preventative maintenance.
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I bought my car from a major Morgan Agent often praised on TM. It was supplied serviced and MoT’d. Supposedly. I immediately found several smallish but important issues which made me realised that all they had done was change the oil and mystified me how it had cleared the MoT without a blemish. Fortunately I was able to get it to the excellent Matty at Life’s who quickly sorted it and gave it a full health check. It replaced my Lotus of twenty one years. That car was always serviced by me as I had little confidence in the Agents and not much more in some of the specialists. I do do work on the Morgan myself but have it annually serviced by Life’s. Several reasons. Firstly, I have the impression that many Morgan owners are not really diy, although I accept that quite a few on TM are, and would be looking for stamps in the book when I eventually sell it on. Secondly, the Morgan wheelbase is just a couple of inches too long to fit on my garage lift system to enable best access for all aspects of a full service. Thirdly, having watched him work I do have confidence in Matty who has vast experience of these cars and is efficient and affordable.
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Whilst there are some very good home mechanics
Well you know what they say, when buying a car privately make sure you have a look at the owner's workshop. That will speak volumes as to how well the car has been maintained  I completely understand that some people prefer to have other people look after their car for them, there are all sorts of good reasons why this makes sense (lack of space or facilities, inexperience, no time, etc) but I do worry that people might buy a car believing that the presence of dealer stamps alone means that the car has been well looked after: whereas all too often it simply means the car has had the bare minimum of attention. Your experience with your wheels being a perfect example. One job in the annual service is to remove all road wheels to inspect the tyres and re-grease the splines. Clearly in your case this hadn't been done - so what other service steps had also been skipped? The issue with rusting spark plugs in Ford engines is extremely well-known in the Morgan world, hence the numerous top cover projects we've seen over the years, and so there's absolutely no excuse for a main dealer to miss this either.
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I remember when my almost new Metro Turbo needed a corrosion warranty inspection at the dealers. That in itself is a laugh. Anyway, I took it in. They drove it into the workshop, and parked in a corner where I could just see it from the waiting area. Half an hour later, they brought it back over. Nobody had touched it. I got the warranty stamp and that was it. Job done.
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Whilst there are some very good home mechanics
Well you know what they say, when buying a car privately make sure you have a look at the owner's workshop. That will speak volumes as to how well the car has been maintained  I completely understand that some people prefer to have other people look after their car for them, there are all sorts of good reasons why this makes sense (lack of space or facilities, inexperience, no time, etc) but I do worry that people might buy a car believing that the presence of dealer stamps alone means that the car has been well looked after: whereas all too often it simply means the car has had the bare minimum of attention. Your experience with your wheels being a perfect example. One job in the annual service is to remove all road wheels to inspect the tyres and re-grease the splines. Clearly in your case this hadn't been done - so what other service steps had also been skipped? The issue with rusting spark plugs in Ford engines is extremely well-known in the Morgan world, hence the numerous top cover projects we've seen over the years, and so there's absolutely no excuse for a main dealer to miss this either. Absolutely spot on, there are good home mechanics and good garages, its a question of how comfortable you are with doing the work yourself and what facilities are available to you.. I find I'm better at dissembling something than putting it back together, in the past too often I don't know my own strength and usually bugger something up.......so formerly a high mileage driver when it comes to requiring reliable . safe motoring I tend to leave it to the professionals. All maintenance jobs will have a manufacturers standard time to do the work, in my experience in main franchises many mechanics are paid a bonus on the hours they save (on the standard time) to complete a given job. Kind of encourages short cuts and skimping............in years gone by most BL garages workshops would have hundreds of oil cans upturned to drain the last vestiges of oil to collect for their own cars etc. That is until service windows became more the norm as so you could watch what was happening to your car and see the state of the workshop!. The wife's Mini and MG Metro Turbo rusted before our eyes, the dealer was quite honest about the issues, being based in a coastal town with salty sea air they had one of the best paint shops around.
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