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The batteries obviously deteriorate over time so I guess you need to consider if it is replace or supplement the stack.
Yep, definitely worth checking the warranty on batteries. Our 7KWh LG is guaranteed to be >90% capacity after 15 years, so we're not expecting to have to replace it in our lifetime.
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Thank you John. I had a power cut recently and there didn't seem to be any electricity available from the battery. Is this normal? You could get a changeover switch installed but as John V6 says its a costly option - changeover switch will allow the whole house to be powered from the battery (it basically makes a grid tied system into an off grid system) but at circa £700 - £1000 installed its an expensive option - how often do you have a power cut? The socket that John V6 mentions normally will power a 13A load but that's all - so could be used to charge a mobile or keep a freezer running etc - all of course dependent on the battery size as to how long it will keep the circuit powered. Big issue with batteries at moment is supply - there are a few available and of course demand/supply = price increasing... Inverters are another issue due to chip shortage/Covid restrictions in China - one manufacturer has had no products available since late June and they have nothing expected to be available till January 2023.....
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The batteries obviously deteriorate over time so I guess you need to consider if it is replace or supplement the stack.
Yep, definitely worth checking the warranty on batteries. Our 7KWh LG is guaranteed to be >90% capacity after 15 years, so we're not expecting to have to replace it in our lifetime. 15 years??? I'd double check the wording on the warranty -and more importantly how its applied in terms of discharge/recharge rates - most manufacturers give 10 years maximum/10,000 charge cycles - although also a 20 year 'service' life which is open to all types of interpretation.
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Havn’t seen it commented & I am sure things are improving, but cost in replacements of the inverter/inverters. My “sunny boy” (SMA) had to be changed after only 5 years.
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Yes. For safety reason the system shuts down. If the repair team are working on what they think is a dead power system in the area then you exporting power puts them at risk. You can get a single socket fitted to the batteries to use them as a UPS (uniteruptable power supply), but that was another £300 so I didn't buy it. In which case, I don't see the point in renewing the batteries. Stevo666: I don't get a power cut that often and they are replacing the O/H grid cables in the locality just now. IcePack: I have had the inverter changed in my 11 years of ownership and I haven't forgotten to cost that in.
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I have never had to replace an inverter yet. My new from 1st Oct deal with Shell has electricity at 35.05 p per kWh from 29.239 p. So the battery payback is around 6 1/2 years . The array payback is looking to be based on savings so far 8 years but the higher rate will reduce that.
What I don't get is why again the standing charges are increasing . Power is up from 37.92p/day to 38.93 p i.e. 2.7% in 3 months! Gas is up from 27.22 p/day to 28.48 p/day or 4.6% in 3 months. Why the huge increases and why od we even have a standing charge?
Why also when I get effectively 7.5p per kWh I generate doesn't the FIT rate also increase. BG is making a fortune on my feed in power.
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Though if the above posts are correct then there is no 'feed in power' in terms of the grid ... and the FIT was really a cash incentive to encourage homeowner PV installation for political and consumption reduction reasons ... they're not 'making a fortune' because in reality there's nothing there that's re-sellable.
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Lovely thought but I'm not eligible as I recieve FiT.
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Though if the above posts are correct then there is no 'feed in power' in terms of the grid ... and the FIT was really a cash incentive to encourage homeowner PV installation for political and consumption reduction reasons ... they're not 'making a fortune' because in reality there's nothing there that's re-sellable.
K r But there is export power to the grid regardless of what some posts state... Why also when I get effectively 7.5p per kWh I generate doesn't the FIT rate also increase. BG is making a fortune on my feed in power.
if your generating PV then you will be consuming that PV power or at least some of it - so I'm not sure how you work out that BG are gaining anything after paying you 7.5p kwh? And don't you get paid for deemed export of 50% so 3.75p kwh? For anyone thinking of applying for the Smart Energy Guarantee (non FIT - SEG export payments) then Octupus energy have just announced that their kwh payment is increasing from 7.5p/kwh to 15p/kwh. That's a very good deal compared to others.
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