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dezzn #758378 16/10/22 09:09 PM
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I know damn all about anything, but both the New Elms and Kevin Vernon Plus 8s look like superb machines.

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The OP would not be disappointed in either of these cars imho.. I think the auction could well see quite a high price achieved.
A bit on the blingy side for me but that's a very personal thing being a minimalist at heart.


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Originally Posted by gomog
Warning. LONG....In short, your comments do not apply to this car I was warned to send the record straight


Most of Andy's comments were about the car mentioned in the first post, which is being sold by Tim Ayres at New Elms , and has John Eales engine modifications. So you are correct for once, the comments do not apply to your car.

He only made one comment about your car
Originally Posted by MOG 615
To my mind that one is very much overdone. If you like bling and chrome everywhere great , if not then the New Elms car will be a much better bet.


Also very intrigued about who would give you a warning to set something straight that hadn't actually been said? Very unusual behaviour smile smile smile


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Originally Posted by TBM
Originally Posted by gomog
Warning. LONG....In short, your comments do not apply to this car I was warned to send the record straight


Most of Andy's comments were about the car mentioned in the first post, which is being sold by Tim Ayres at New Elms , and has John Eales engine modifications. So you are correct for once, the comments do not apply to your car.

He only made one comment about your car
Originally Posted by MOG 615
To my mind that one is very much overdone. If you like bling and chrome everywhere great , if not then the New Elms car will be a much better bet.


Also very intrigued about who would give you a warning to set something straight that hadn't actually been said? Very unusual behaviour smile smile smile




Thank you , I couldn't have put it better myself.


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Many thanks to all who replied to my original thread. Your comments, thoughts and advice have been most useful.

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Originally Posted by MOG 615
Originally Posted by brownbaker
There is also a very nice +8 coming up for Auction.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1512397
To my mind that one is very much overdone. If you like bling and chrome everywhere great , if not then the New Elms car will be a much better bet.
A great friend went to see that car many moons ago , and hated it . He bought a 1993 pre-cat short door car in preference.


The dislike of "bling" in England is very much a local cultural thing. I have had my Morgans on a number of continents and can assure you other cultures adore it
In fact, the largest crowds it gathers in Jolly Old E are the thickest, possibly because it is so rare. Unlike America, mine is not noticeable unless you open the bonnet
or choose to lie under the car. Yet you are merely reflecting one element of local car culture. Jealousy is alledgedly a factor. After all, why would anyone care
what an engine bay looks like as long as the components function??!

I do not come from your culture and I work constantly on my Morgans. I prefer all those areas spotlessly clean and unlike, raw metal and paint, polished ss and chrome
can resist a 1400 psi pressure wash. My wife prefers me coming in from the garage less filthy. The bling is merely takes that further, despite the enormous cost
which can be off-putting for many. It makes the cars rustless and truly stainless and you can can comb your hair with your reflection in the sump. wink
Lastly, I am fortunate to have NO budget for my Morgans. But I leave anything visible, cockpit, exterior etc stock merely of a higher quality, like so many here.

Every British Morgan mechanics I know discretely confide over tea that they DETEST a filthy car but they have no choice in the matter. I do. When asked at an event
or in the gomog Help Line, for assistance even I an very reluctant to deal with such. It is not for a lack of compassion.. it is merely too hard to see anything or to know
where to start! [!b] .Of course with so many later many Morgans, they start life with goo covering everything. hide One can't even see the all-important Lucas wire
colours. I had a battle getting them NOT to use it. For this one, Kevin removed it during it restoration painstakingly. He used a very shiny two-pack paint and impact
buffer to replace it.
[/b] George (the fellow who calls himself "Luddite") has the same finish..as do all the famous mogs in the UK. Everyone has their own standards.
I respect ALL the merely clean ones. But keeping these areas of a Morgan clean is much harder if the bays are not so treated. Even the MMC stainless steel stains...
(reflecting the MMC's choice of stainless grade). I had the MMC use another grade pre-polished when they made my last remaining car. https://www.gomog.com/phoenix/frame_bulkhead&valences2.jpg
Pre-polished stainless is only very mildly more pricey than the stainless the MMC uses but the polished variety does not stain. 20 years later, the valences and
bulkhead look the same. https://www.gomog.com/phoenix/enginebay.jpg and can be cleaned in a sec with a hose.

I have a John Sheally II (the Morgan king of polished metal) story for you. JHSII was well-known as a very close friend of Mr. and Mrs. P. In those days, the Works supported
racers and JS2 has as much and more than most in the UK. PM used to regularly visit his American market and met up with John at a MSCCDC (Washington) Concours
one year. Of course, the bonnet of John's racer was open to view along with the rear compartment over the axle. The normally bold John was very nervous as Peter
stared fixedly at the shining engine bay for a LONG time. At the end, Peter quietly confided to his friend that he wished the Factory could make a car like John's. Peter
return to England and promptly used a fully polished Plus 8s at shows and for advertising? So..as the French say, "chacun à son goût" grin2

BTW, have you ever seen pictures of the engine bays of prominent British Morgan racers? SPLENDID!!! Contact me at gomog.com and I will send you as many UK engine bays
as you could desire. They go a lot further than I do. TOK's bay and those of the SLRs are fabulous!!! You cannot constantly work on a Morgan and not make it prettier. I am
saddened that you are unaware of this. The existence of these cars raise the value of all Morgans. Be grateful they exist.

But why don't we even this playing field. For the sake of fair play, can you gentlemen post detailed pictures of your Morgans, the parts that cannot be seen, so we can all
critically view your choices publicly as you have mine.
I am sure we will have help suggestions, even if they are merely mechanical.

Unlike most Plus 8s these days, this one keeps spiking in price.

Be well.

Lorne

P.S. I am NOT a Concours competitor. Other here will confirm that the first rule I pass when Chairman, if the club or organization has not already done so, is to bar Concours
Chairmen from competing. I am not going to deal with my cars' with a cue-tip. I am mere a long distance mogger. You should also familiarize yourself with the difference
between Concours d'Élégance (definitely the general public's favourite fro the last generations) and Concours d'État. We all here own "collector" cars and these terms are vital
to understand for all of us. Not only if you wish to compete, but merely if you want to know how experts will judge your car if it is displayed or sold
I will translate from the
original French, who started all this stuff. The first is a competition of how far you can take a car from its precise origins.The second is how closely a car in top condition
matches its original state. The points allotted for "originality" in a Concours d'elegance have become universally negligible as long as the car retains its major original features.
in my judging, even in other countries, I have whimsically decided to follow the UK's DVLA rules for "Q" cars. After all, there has to be some limits. One loses more for
swapping in an aftermarket suspension than a new engine! That being said, anything the MMC has EVER used before or after your general model type, is DVLA fair game.

Which standard do you follow?

SHEALLY Chrome https://www.gomog.com/temp/chromeJHSII.jpg

Humptey Dumpty in Cannes for the Festival https://www.gomog.com/temp/CANNES.jpg (we get more that in England than any other country!)

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Craig, one of your U clamp threads is longer than the other innocent


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Originally Posted by CooperMan
Craig, one of your U clamp threads is longer than the other innocent


I failed then
grin2


Craig Jezz


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Originally Posted by Craig Jezz
Originally Posted by CooperMan
Craig, one of your U clamp threads is longer than the other innocent


I failed then
grin2

Not in my opinion thumbs


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Absolutely - there is pristine and then there is Craig's car clap


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