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I understand that the MY23 has better brakes. I wonder how much better and could we retrofit. If you, I wonder how for how much.

Hi, I’ve asked my dealer for a quote. They have requested the details from the factory. Planning to drive the 2023 demonstrator when it arrives to confirm it’s a worthwhile improvement. It will be interesting to hear how much the upgrade is.

I’ve been informed by the factory that it’s not possible to upgrade, as many other things have changed including the radiator.

I get the feeling that any improvements made to new CX cars will not be made available to upgrade older versions. That was the case with the exhaust anyhow.

Our 2020 Plus Six has just had a radiator change. The dealer informed us it is the latest design. Now its possible that is different again to the MY2023 cars.

Ah well, looking like I will have to take a different route then.
To me, once the suspension was sorted out (via SSL) the weak link was the brakes. They improved once the recall work was completed (perhaps I had failing seals ?) but are still not good enough in both feel and performance.
I will upgrade the brakes as I don’t want a 2023 with all of the added paraphernalia.

The brakes are not great, my aero 8 brakes are far superior, surely there are some performance pads that can be fitted?

Certainly worth a try and will be step 1, but will be surprised if it works. Let’s hope I’m wrong 😀

Hi
Our 2019 Launch Edition Plus Six has had a replacement master cylinder and a brake booster unit. And YES our master cylinder seals had failed. However while the Plus Six is a vast improvement on earlier Morgans the brakes were scary from Day One.

After the work done under warranty, the brakes, and in particular the brake pedal travel (60mm on average) was the same as before all the work. Presently the car is in the NZ Morgan dealer's workshop where it will stay until we get to the bottom of this brake problem. There will be a solution!

If MMC have managed to improve the brakes on the Y23 CX cars they surely will know what they have changed. Maybe it may not be possible, or desirable, for MMC to rectify the brake problem on earlier cars but that knowledge should be made available to all owners. I suspect that the problem could well be a mechanical and involve changing the brake pedal lever arm, hinge points etc.

The brake problem is in the same basket as the sagging suspension where the quality of the springs was the source of the problem. YES we have replaced our coil over damper units with those specified by SSL. Not only do we have the original ground clearance but we have greatly improved handling. BUT have MMC acknowledged that there was a problem? NO! Will MMC accept that the Plus Six brakes were faulty beyond the master cylinder problem? Not on your Nelly!!
Kerry

While discussing brakes.... as they are such a new invention it is so simple to just get it wrong...!

For sure the name of the game in industry for quite some time seems to have focussed on cost cutting as opposed to improving quality of componentry, which I suppose is standard thinking for an old and somewhat selective Luddite..?

I tripped over this brake fluid vid which explains is reasonable detail the variations in brake fluid and the ways in which different fluids can affect system components so thought it was perhaps worth posting..?

https://youtu.be/M6UrH_mDBrU

My Mog is a mid 80`s Trad, has no ABS and after restoration circa 20 years ago, had DOT 5 brake fluid used in it`s system, which was fully rebuilt at the time... DOT five can not be mixed with any other brake fluids. which you will know if you watched the vid.