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JohnHarris #766417 06/01/23 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnHarris

It will be interesting to see how far and how fast the new 'impetus' to resolve the Wests potential exposed supply chains to energy


Yes, especially as the swing to renewables will tend to improve all countries' energy security. Last year for example the UK got more than 50% of its energy needs from renewables.

Climate change will also play a big role - look for example at how the mild weather has completely torpedoed Russia's assumption that Europe would quickly acquiesce when faced with not getting Russian gas.

The big prize for China would be to gain control of Taiwan's semiconductor industry - TSMC supplies over half the world's computer chips. They would see that as going an awful long way to offsetting any economic downturns from Covid or wherever. A big threat to US hegemony.


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To give an idea of the murderous intent of the Russian military there have been two attacks on Fire Brigade stations in Kherson in the last two days. Since the latest had four explosions it is obviously deliberate not just a stray rocket. Unfortunately there have been deaths.
Since this is an emergency and rescue service it is exactly like firing on the Red Cross.
And this is on the Eve of Putin's unilaterally declared truce for the Orthodox Christmas.
As German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock stated on Thursday the promise of a ceasefire would not bring “either freedom or security” to the people living under Moscow’s brutal war.
“If Putin wanted peace, he would take his soldiers home, and the war would be over. But apparently, he wants to continue the war after a short break,”


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Here is a report in a German online newspaper where the Ukrainian secret service claims that Putin is ill with cancer.
Unfortunately the link is only in German language

https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/video...toedliche-Krankheit-article23823903.html


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Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
Here is a report in a German online newspaper where the Ukrainian secret service claims that Putin is ill with cancer.
Unfortunately the link is only in German language

https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/video...toedliche-Krankheit-article23823903.html


As you wrote some days before:

Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
one should be very careful with statements that are not confirmed



I believe that this war is also a war of the media and with a lot of psychological warfare!


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Originally Posted by bmgermany
Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
Here is a report in a German online newspaper where the Ukrainian secret service claims that Putin is ill with cancer.
Unfortunately the link is only in German language

https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/video...toedliche-Krankheit-article23823903.html


As you wrote some days before:

Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
one should be very careful with statements that are not confirmed



I believe that this war is also a war of the media and with a lot of psychological warfare!


As I wrote earlier in the thread propaganda is a two way street and always part of war games historically.


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Originally Posted by Hamwich
My take on this is that the USA will happily donate all the weapons and materiel the Ukrainians need to kick the Russians out and re-establish Ukraine as a sovereign territory on the 1991 borders.

Why?

1. It's a perfect testing ground for their military equipment, allowing them to get rid of loads of old stock/2nd tier equipment. This enables the military industrial complex to continue to justify their trillions of dollars of government spending, creates a demand for new first-tier kit, and supports loads of domestic industries and jobs.

2. It's going to put Russia out of the threat league for decades. When Putin goes either through illness or defenestration, Russia will break up into loads of factions and internecine conflict and the US wants to ensure there's as little decent military equipment as possible available to them. As the economy further collapses and whatever money is left is stolen by the kleptocrats, there won't be anything left to maintain the nuclear weapons and they will quickly become unusable. That's a huge threat off the table.

3. At a time when China is eyeing up its chances over Taiwan, it's a perfect practical demonstration of what US military muscle can achieve even when using second-tier equipment and non-American armed forces. Taiwan is vastly more important to the US strategically than eastern Europe, so it's a very powerful message to China "If we're prepared to do this to protect Ukraine, just imagine what we'll do to protect Taiwan"

And all this at no cost to American lives and remarkably little in budgetary terms. They have sent the equivalent of about $50bn in aid in 2022, or 6% of their 2023 military budget of £782Bn. In terms of what they will gain from Russia's defeat, it's a complete bargain.

As for how long this will take? It might drag on for another year, but when the end comes it will come very quickly. It's in America's interest for this to end decisively and enable them to focus on the Chinese threat.


This is basically what my mind has been thinking but trying to gauge China is risky.


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Interesting post Hamwich. Food for thought.


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Originally Posted by +8Rich
Originally Posted by bmgermany
Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
Here is a report in a German online newspaper where the Ukrainian secret service claims that Putin is ill with cancer.
Unfortunately the link is only in German language

https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/video...toedliche-Krankheit-article23823903.html


As you wrote some days before:

Originally Posted by CLPlusFour
one should be very careful with statements that are not confirmed



I believe that this war is also a war of the media and with a lot of psychological warfare!


As I wrote earlier in the thread propaganda is a two way street and always part of war games historically.



That is why I have written claimed.
I cannot verify the truth of the content and would not even write that I am convinced of the statment. But it is a good example of manipulation. We like to read or hear what we want to believe. What does not correspond to our conviction is doubted or is called fake new. And we find nowadays on the Internet and in social media for every statement also a statement that claims exactly the opposite.


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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by JohnHarris

It will be interesting to see how far and how fast the new 'impetus' to resolve the Wests potential exposed supply chains to energy


Yes, especially as the swing to renewables will tend to improve all countries' energy security. Last year for example the UK got more than 50% of its energy needs from renewables.

Climate change will also play a big role - look for example at how the mild weather has completely torpedoed Russia's assumption that Europe would quickly acquiesce when faced with not getting Russian gas.

The big prize for China would be to gain control of Taiwan's semiconductor industry - TSMC supplies over half the world's computer chips. They would see that as going an awful long way to offsetting any economic downturns from Covid or wherever. A big threat to US hegemony.



Couldn't agree more, I've read recent reports that the Ukrainian conflict has accelerated the rate of industrial change to energy issues bought about by climate change (fossil fuels) forcing the pace of change much earlier than originally projected.

Increasingly, the European car manufacturers are responding to the semi conduction shortages (and therefore Taiwan's future importance in this field) by making their own semi conductors. Volkswagen is building a massive semi conductor plant so that it is completely self sufficient, other manufacturers and countries are now planning/building their own semi conductor capability. If Taiwan at some point in the future ceases to be centre of all semi conductor production and eg US supplies of semi conductors are guaranteed outside of Taiwan, I do question the US resolve to support Taiwan under those circumstances.


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Originally Posted by LightSpeed


This is basically what my mind has been thinking but trying to gauge China is risky.


Yep, but a bit of armchair conjecture is always fun :-)

Publicly, China is never going to come out against Putin, but I'm sure they would be very happy should the Russian federation collapse, it would provide them the perfect opportunity to provide aid/support/involvement to the eastern republics, oblasts, and krais in Siberia as there are enormous natural resources that China would love to exploit. A chaotic Russia would also serve China's purposes by giving the European countries a security headache whilst being conveniently far away from China.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if there wasn't a bit of "Get rid of Putin, let us have Siberia, and we won't go after Taiwan" communication going on behind the scenes.


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