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#779202 12/06/23 03:01 PM
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I have noticed woodworm (beetles) in the garage today, same "flying" day as last year. I suspect I introduced them in some timber from my Mum & Dad's bungalow some years ago. I tried zapping them with some DIY Barretine Premier Woodworm Killer spray last year, evidently to no avail. Especially in view of the wooden frame of the Morgan, I will need to get a professional exterminator this time (and I wouldn't want them to spread to the roof of our house). Does anyone have any experience / anecdotal evidence of woodworm in Morgan frames, or does "the dipping process" make the ash unpalatable to bugs ?


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It'll go faster with holes in the subframe innocent

I used a Rentokil aerosol in the garage roof area and it was effective.


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Could you not 'bomb' the garage? ... friends in CA used to fire one up and vacate the area til the next day for unwanted bugs.


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You will likely need repeated insecticide spraying. This is usually based on the life cycle time from adult through egg laying and on to hatching to mature beetle.
We used this method in the tobacco industry to kill off tobacco beetle. A 6 week cycle. Day1 ...Spot adult. Seal area as much as possible and spray. Keep sealed and top up spraying for 6 weeks as that kills any emerging beetles from eggs through larva stages. Traps checked daily. ( Sticky paper type).
I was our site rep for infestation, liaising with the main person in Ballymena site. If I identified a beetle as tobacco beetle I’d start the process using spray cans until the “pro” from Ballymena came over. With better spray equipment. We were lucky in finding beetles early to catch/kill before they gained a foothold. A cigarette factory in Manchester were unlucky, repeated outbreaks due to the difficulties in containing it.
I had a collection of flies, spiders,insects,lizards ( all dead ) found in bales imported from worldwide growers. One monkey found squashed in a compressed bale from Ecuador. Bale destroyed ( a few £ lost there! ) Not kept in the “collection”. All tobacco had to be frozen at -25C for 48hrs on receipt but some samples/ machinery slipped through, hence the rare outbreaks.
It is possible to fog the garage as that was a large scale method we could use if needed. We never did though. You’d have to seal the garage and find an approved insecticide “bomb”. Regs have changed so chemicals are limited. DDT worldwide ban!

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Thanks for the (mostly.....) helpful suggestions.
"Bombing" and/or a professional pest control specialist looks like the way to go.
I'm having our garage doors replaced tomorrow, so will need to wait until after that, as it would be a bit unfair to subject the fitters to a poison gas cloud. sick3


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My first Morgan, a 1985 cvh 4 seater and therefore before the frames were dipped (I think), had previously failed an MOT on a number of things including woodworm.

Our first house had a woodworm infestation and the mortgage company insisted on professional treatment which carried a 30 year warranty. When I called them back the following year because beetles emerged, they said that it was 'post treatment emergence' and that it didn't require further treatment because the emerging beetles would be sterile. No internet then to research their claim but I've sometimes wondered whether it was just to avoid the warranty....


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Malcolm, those warranties/guarantees are only valid if the treatment companies keep on paying the insurance premiums. Many are long gone after a few years of trading or change their name.
Apparently there is no boring insect this side of China that will bore into ash, no idea whether that's true or not but there is a bit of plywood in a Morgan that may be susceptible.


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Both Deathwatch beetle and Powderpost beetle will attack ash. Powderpost likes woods high in starch content, but is rare though, and will generally only bore into ash that is less than 15 years old, so probably not a problem for a Morgan. Deathwatch like partly rotted wood, so may be a secondary concern in a Morgan - if your frame has already started rotting then you are in trouble anyway. (From: https://ourproperty.co.uk/guides/woodworm_control/).

Given the above is from the internet can thus can't be trusted I wondered what the latest AI software had to say on the subject. (Of course that can't be trusted either). Chatgpt said:

User:
which wood boring insects attack ash?

ChatGPT:
Ash trees can be attacked by various wood-boring insects. One of the most notable and destructive insect pests that target ash trees is the emerald ash borer (Agrilus planipennis). This invasive beetle species has caused significant damage to ash trees in North America. Other wood-boring insects that can infest ash trees include:

Ash/lilac borer (Podosesia syringae): These borers primarily target weakened or stressed ash trees. They also infest lilac, privet, and other related plants.

Carpenterworm (Prionoxystus robiniae): While it mainly infests hardwood trees, the carpenterworm can also attack ash trees. They typically target weakened or dying trees.

Redheaded ash borer (Neoclytus acuminatus): This beetle species is found in the eastern United States and can infest ash trees, as well as other hardwoods like oak, hickory, and maple.

Banded ash borer (Neoclytus caprea): Similar to the redheaded ash borer, this species attacks ash trees and other hardwoods.

These wood-boring insects can cause significant damage to ash trees, leading to dieback, decline, and even tree mortality if left untreated. If you suspect an infestation, it is best to consult with a professional arborist or a local forestry service for appropriate identification and treatment options.





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which wood boring insects attack kiln dried ash timber?

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Wood-boring insects can still infest kiln-dried ash timber, although the risk is significantly reduced compared to untreated or green wood. Kiln drying helps eliminate most insect larvae and eggs present in the wood, but it does not guarantee complete eradication. Some wood-boring insects can withstand the drying process or infest the wood after it has been dried. Here are a few wood-boring insects that can attack kiln-dried ash timber:

Powderpost beetles (Lyctidae family): These beetles can infest dry hardwoods, including ash. They lay their eggs in the pores of the wood, and the larvae tunnel through the timber, leaving behind small, powdery frass.

Old House borers (Hylotrupes bajulus): These beetles primarily target softwoods, but they can occasionally infest kiln-dried hardwoods as well. They create long, winding tunnels in the wood and produce sawdust-like frass.

Deathwatch beetles (Xestobium rufovillosum): Although they prefer damp or decaying wood, deathwatch beetles can infest dry wood, including ash. They are often associated with older, high-moisture content timber.

Furniture beetles (Anobium punctatum): These beetles infest various hardwoods, including kiln-dried ash. They lay their eggs in cracks or crevices in the wood, and the larvae tunnel through the timber, leaving behind a fine, flour-like frass.

It's important to note that the risk of wood-boring insect infestations in kiln-dried ash timber is generally lower compared to untreated wood. However, to minimize the chances of infestation, it is crucial to ensure proper storage conditions, regular inspection, and timely treatment if any signs of infestation are detected.


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Blimey, I hadn't really twigged (see what I did there ?) how complex this is. Adjacent to the garges are a couple of very large ash trees, it had never occurred to me that there might be something nasty living in them (apart from pigeons and squirrels). Years ago when I worked in the cotton industry I could tell you all about boll weevils, but this is new territory. I never had these concerns with my TVR's, as nothing seems to eat fibreglass (although the chassis outriggers tended to succumb to the rust bug).


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Just out of interest .... has anyone in the UK had a problem with boring insects in their Morgan woodwork? ..... my car was seriously neglected pre-resto and being a '75 was pre-preservative ... in spite of being left outdoors until rot dissolved the wood frame under the doors, the door posts, sills and elbow rails there was no trace of insect activity anywhere.

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