Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms Lithium battery fire

Peter - for when they realise the battery option was far worse than the ICE and revert one more step.. c1844

Air bags and front crumple zones, was he Swedish?

Yes Uncle ovlov I believe

p.s. not too sure where his left hand is mind looks like he could be steadying the protection facilities..

She doesn't look happy.

Not been fact checked but interesting all the same:

This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car.
To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be
extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made
as a byproduct of the processing of copper
and nickel ores. It is the most difficult material
to obtain for a battery and the most
expensive.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used for the earthmoving to obtain the essential minerals. It consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
Finally you get a “zero emissions” car.
Presently, the bulk of the necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor for getting the minerals in Africa is done by children! If we buy electric cars, it's China who profits most!
BTW, this 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries is:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000–$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000–$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)
It takes SEVEN years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the batteries is 10 years (average). Only in the last three years do you begin to reduce your carbon footprint. Then the batteries have to be replaced and you lose all the gains you made in those three years.

Yeah but the Government have ticked a box.

Indeed they have. Sums them up really all sound bite and no in depth review.

Similar to the decision on diesel a few years ago. The better mpg was the excuse until the NOx problems that were known about suddenly became an issue. Short term decision making at it’s best/worst.
Seems like another political posturing episode where it looks like good decisions are being made yet the background is not as rosy. Use political posturing to appear to be climate concerned without full understanding or choose political expediency.

I hope it's better concrete than the stuff they built the hospitals with.

It does seem that the public is realizing that the EV / Zero Carbon movement Emperor really has no cloths.
Sales of Audi and VW EVs are down all over Europe with production suspended at the VW ID plant and slowing at AUDI.
The car industry is to be bullied into shifting EVs by fining makers if they sell too many ICE cars. Wait until workers are laid off and factories close.
Only Chinna benefits....Import quotas anyone?

The recent decisions of the "COP" lot make no sense and are not achievable.

I'll stick with ICE....