Talk Morgan Forums Community Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan) BYD Chinese do it again 1,305 mile range,,

Well they deserve the success as they must have spent zillions on development costs.

80 mpg is nothing to boast about nowadays. 's daughter is on her second Kia Niro HEV both of which have averaged 65 mpg. Our nine year old Mini Clubman Cooper D could equal that in economy mode on a motorway run if it wasn't driven by me

Yep but a range of 1300miles and a cost of £10,700 is pretty impressive.

I could be tempted once I get too old to tinker!

Except it wont be £10.7k by the time it's imported to this country...
80mpg to a US gallon is slightly more impressive Richard!

Without being a Negative-Nellie .... what will that all turn out to be in the real world? ..... other countries don't have the legislation the UK has about truthful representation (hence the wild claims of eternal youth in those cosmetic ads on the web 🙂 ... France used to be a real offender in this back in the day) ..... will it turn out to be like the Tesla that couldn't tow a light trailer 60 miles in real life conditions?

China is the wild-west when it comes to business dealings....also agree with Graham .... pricing philosophy seems to be 'what the market will stand' rather than cost plus decent profit. My view with EV is that if the consumer can be screwed for £X per mile to drive an ICE now, it doesn't matter how cheap it could be to drive EV ... one way or another we'll end up paying £X per mile because that's what can be extorted out of that market for the nescessity of getting from A to B .

Think I'll wait and see

K

You're never too old to tinker. It's just more difficult to get up when you've been working under the car.

Overall range on a PHEV is pretty meaningless IMO, as it's quick to refuel with petrol and so not really an impediment to driving long distances, you can keep the electric for when you need to reverse a Low Emission Zone.

Much more significant in my view is the battery-only range. A major reason we want people to drive electric is to reduce emissions in cities and built up areas, it's not nearly as significant a problem out in the country where long distances tend to be covered.

I still believe that PHEVs are a great solution for the kind of people who can charge at home, live in a built-up area, and need to regularly travel significant distances - so long as the electric-only range is sufficient to cover their normal daily driving needs - which I believe is around 30-40 miles for most.

We've had our Mini SE for 2.5 years now, it's absolutely perfect for our needs and so for us the additional weight and complexity of carting around an IC engine that we would hardly ever use isn't worth it. If we didn't have our expedition vehicles (Landy and Morgan) it would of course be a different kettle of fish.

Living in the sticks when we eventually get down to running one vehicle and thus becoming a little more environmentally clean this car would fit all our needs when the time comes.

As TBM said when the tinkering is done.

Fair point Graham. I did the maths myself and it came out at 97 mpg imperial.

The article does not say what sized Petrol tank, what sized battery and what the EV only range is, all tree of those is needed to really know how useful the car is. The only really useful figure is 2.9L/100km after the battery is flat which is a very good figure.

I assume batteries will continue to improve and end up lighter, smaller and give more range but for now I feel the PHEV is a good choice for people who plug them in. My Mitsubishi Outlander now has over 12,000km on it and has only been in a petrol station about 6 times, really I have filled it up when about half full just because it was convenient at the time so probably 3 full tanks of petrol. I could potentially still be on the one tank if I had not done a couple of trips away but I feel that is the great thing about the car, I can charge it at home and use an an EV around town but I can go on a long trip with no worries about range, broken chargers etc. My only concern is lack of a spare wheel. On a trip it recharges itself down hill and will drive a surprisingly long time afterwards in EV mode even though the battery was flat before the down hill section.

I did a trip a while ago and noted when the battery was flat, the car then averaged 7L/100km for the rest of the trip which is the same as my Skoda Octavia would have done on the same road, and pretty good for a large AWD car, but a lot more than the 2.9L100km the article says this new BYD will get.

However I think most new EV's and PHEV's in Australia are leased to get the tax savings and then the petrol is either paid for by the company or paid for in pre tax dollars as part of a salary package. I know people who never plug theirs in because their employer pays for petrol so why waste their electricity that the employer doesn't pay for.