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Seems to be an expectation that solid state will replace liquid batteries in the next few years solving the problems of cost, range, charging times and fire risk.


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Originally Posted by DaveW
Polo GTI or the train....... grin2

I have a 6 year old 5 door Mini Cooper and Susie has a 4 year old Fiat Panda Cross.

We bought the Panda new and it’s brilliant, for our needs.
Economical at 50 mpg.
Splendidly simple.
Good ground clearance and narrow - ideal for the lanes of East Devon.

I have no personal experience of EVs,
I do have an issue over vehicles that, for me, are over complicated.

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Budster, I am 100% with you in terms of the complication in modern vehicles, I suspect even the general public may be coming round to the idea that added complication is in the process of trapping them into excessive repair bills if and when things go wrong. Add to that the number of times main dealerships seem to struggle to keep up with failing technology. My good lady`s Evoque was on a three week waiting list to have a wheel rotation sensor replaced, and when the same type of sensor failed on the opposite side of the car, the estimated time for the main dealer to look at it was seven weeks... at which stage I blew the cobwebs off my tools and once delivered I fitted in an afternoon, threw in a couple of front brake discs while I was at it....

On the basis I have no interest in working on modern cars, and that a new car should ideally require NO requirement for me to roll around the garage floor... and that EV seemed to be a reasonable option on many grounds, Time was put into researching which might be the most reliable, and Tesla seemed a rather obvious choice..

Unfortunately my wife never got to drive her Tesla, and my general Luddite tendencies were overcome by just how well it performs as a basic transportation device, high tec though it most certainly is..

I also have a 2012 tin top sports car from a manufacturer lauded for build quality and performance.... It has had sensor issues requiring main dealership intervention....Most definitely too complex for it`s own good, or indeed the rep of it`s manufacturer, OK so it has lasted for 22 years, but only with circa 48k miles on the clock... hmm.. I do wonder if it might still be repairable into the future and if so how long for if it`s manufacturer suffers a similar fate to so many others..?

The old mid 80`s Mog is sitting out in the garage patiently waiting, and I know that all I need do is turn the key, and it will fire up ready to go, which is why it seems there are a few out on the www promoting the idea that the general public might be warming to the KISS principal, and that the man in the street may be waking up to the idea that an older car might better fit their present needs...?

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Buy something small, simple, practical and inexpensive.
Cars are too big and designed by floppy haired, hipster, gen z tech geeks. They've grown up with 'tech' so aren't aware that there are actually 'other' people, normal people who don't want to download an app for everything.........
Cars are way too complicated. 😤😁

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Fully agree


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Originally Posted by Julian BB
Buy something small, simple, practical and inexpensive.
Cars are too big and designed by floppy haired, hipster, gen z tech geeks. They've grown up with 'tech' so aren't aware that there actually 'other' people, normal people who don't want to download an app for everything.........
Cars are way too complicated. 😤😁

You are right Julian, this is the reason I have no desire to replace our 11 year old daily driver, most new cars are like big balloons.


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When recently we found ourselves with both children at university we looked at our car situation and found we had two almost identical vehicles. A 2019 VW tiguan DSG 4motion and a 2022 Skoda Karoq sport line, not including the MOG of course! Having recently sold my beloved Defender Puma 110 station wagon which I had from new, it just started to get too heavy for me to maintain and being a stickler for perfection I didn't want to see it start to show signs of neglect, so took the early decision to sell. We would have probably stuck with the two VAG cars for a while longer but VW after telling us when we bought the Tiguan that the timing belts weren't life'd as the latest quality was so good and as ancillary items were checked routinely at service all would be well and without the high cost of a routine belt change: I believed them flyingpig

I've never been a fan of cam belts, it's always been a chain for me! But I thought on the information stated I'd give it a go. At 4 years old and in for service they tell me that it will soon be due a cam belt change and that it is either 5 years or 50,000 miles. You can imagine we had words! Mostly mine! Evidently it was a VW UK decision! It was still shy on milage at 45,000 miles and 4 years so I told them I wouldn't be considering it yet and when challenged I had to politely explain to them that I could count. This was in the January and in that August the row between VW Germany and VW UK came to a head as the VW Europe current protocol was 220,000 KMs and no time limit; they then forced VW UK to come into line. Well, strangely enough the UK main dealers were still saying... off the record.... that they still recommended the 5 year 50,000 mile protocol and so were the greedy independents but none would put it in writing of course.
Well that finished me as far as VW were concerned so I sold the car! Still missing my Defender I set about trying to get something to replace that but smaller and with less maintenance and guess what there isn't anything except the Suzuki Jimny and Suzuki had stopped importing them into the UK and Europe. You might possibly be able to get Suzuki to get a commercial version but the wait was long with no guarantee's and it was sooooo basic. After some research we imported a top of the range brand new Gen 4 Jimny direct from Japan and we paid less (£5000) than the UK dealers wanted for a 20 plate used car. The whole process was fantastic and happened exactly as we were told it would. It has everything you could want fitted without being to technical and I can service it myself, its just like a mini Land Rover with the 4x4 system of the series LR and no Haldex to service although FYI when VW service your Haldex system they just do a fluid change and do not clean the filter screen which even on a lightly used car will be solid with crud after 4 years or 40,000 miles (VW service interval). I questioned them about this and they said VW do not list it in the service schedule we just change them when they fail, I don't call that servicing it so that was another job I had to do, and another reason to get rid. Hence the Jimny! I will service it all myself. It fits in the garage and goes on the lift and it's the same as a defender only smaller. I have no intension of it ever seeing a dealership and it suits the narrow lanes here in North Wales'

Being a retired R+D automotive engineer I cannot abide the corruption that is going on in dealerships re. the amount of dosh they extract from people changing their cars, probably in the region of £8000 profit for a new car with a part exchange of up to 4 years old! and the service dept. well, that isn't worth going into other than to say that's why they love PCP deals. As people don't own the car, merely rent it as such they just hand over the keys and pick the car up when finished! Oh, and PCP allows them to control all the profit in the sale too giving them maximum retained profit which when changing up into a new PCP deal is even worse and you can find yourself with the new car being loaded with a deficit form the old PCP deal when finalised. Stay clear Of PCP, Buy A car you can afford to drive/maintain and only use straight Hire purchase that you arrange yourself, shop around too! You will have an ownership time when the car HP has ended so your ongoing use is free from debt and you will always have an asset when you do wish to change. If you can, sell it yourself privately.... believe me all, cars sell!

Before I retired from the motor trade the honesty of dealing was far better and retained profits were reasonable. The work carried out in the workshops was far more contentiously done and by Mechanics not fitters as now who's general answer is computer says nothing wrong! For gods sake child use your hands and eyes! On the car not the computer..... it will not diagnose everything and don't tell me I need new tyres!

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Excellent post Sewin!! Love it thumbs smile


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My son has the Polo and its been a faultless car. Easy to work on when needed! I'm 5'9" a relative shorty in todays standards and my son is 6'3" I find the car totally comfortable and I have never heard him moan about it!

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Thanks Graham, I'm afraid dealership experiences are all now blood and tears and you have to force yourself to laugh or you would most certainly cry. I'm just trying to let others know they are not being singled out by the stealers and there are ways for you to buy and sell fairly for all concerned. Think it all went downhill when salesmen stopped calling you sir or Mister/Madam and they didn't think it important to know anything about the product they are selling!

As an aside, In respect of Morgan and the CX platform, I don't think they had any choice but to modernise the chassis as the drivers that are becoming the new Morgan owners would kill themselves in a classic, although they think they are great drivers they are unaware just how much the technology in the modern car and tyres is keeping them on the right side of death! Fangio they are not! Nor is it a computer derived game and they won't walk away from the crash!

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