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Rog #819667 16/03/25 12:11 PM
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Good point


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Originally Posted by +8Rich
I would be very wary of it especially on the passenger side as it takes all the puddles and any salt residues so the frame could have got very wet and or some galvanic action going on - as there are a plethora of cars on the market right now I'd pass this one by imho. If you are smitten remove the leather padding and check the frame, paint costs nothing but frames ....

Good luck.

p.s. I have noticed that the water based painted cars (recentish) suffer far more than the cellulose one's.

My new 4/4 Sport suffered with this at 2 years old but my 1999 Plus 8 has none of it ooo and I use it all year other than known salt conditions.

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My 12 year old car has the bubbling paint in several places, especially on the rear wings.
I discussed this with Techniques a few years back & they said that they have tried everything, but it soon comes back. I have decided to leave it for the times being. I also got Uncle Melvyn to quote, but the labour time ( removing wings etc) was disproportionate.


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Paul,

Any chance of a picture? You say its on the vertical join line mid point on the cill where the front scuttle rear extension and B post rear frame join? If that's correct this is a know problem area as they are not correctly sealed here and water is sucked in by capillary action and there is always slight movement at joints on a Morgan when driving, this damages the paint and bubbling starts to spread. If this is correct it never seems to indicate a structural issue and can be locally repaired.
Inspect the cill from inside the car to assess any issue with water penetration damage to the frame(that's a walk away isue). The water penetration often comes from tracking down from the A pillar into the wing joint and following the wing beading. One of the reasons oiling the beading is recommended. protects and lubricates the area! Is the car private or a dealer example? If it's that good have it assessed and priced accordingly. ie. private, sale priced for correction. dealer to repair and rectify problem cause.

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Unfortunately I don’t have a photo. the car is not with a Morgan dealer so not sure I would want it repaired by a local body shop with limited knowledge of Morgan. the car seems in excellent condition other than this issue. The bubbling is literally on the joint and hasn’t spread on the body panel or along the beading. All the rest of the car including the wings and running boards show no issues at all.

Will go to look again and see if I can get second opinion

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A bit of a ramble and slightly off topic to some degree...

Having dragged a few of my old sports cars back to life over many years, I thought to share some thinking on a variety of owners and the way they might value their cars...

My first thought is that the Morgan in question is not new but 24 years old and there can be a world of difference to the way any vehicle has been used perhaps abused or stored over those years...though general overall appearance is a guide to the experienced eye, and those who tend to be risk averse tend to pay to have a PPI carried out by someone who has marque expertise..

Having been around Morgan forums for quite some time, apparently much younger Morgan`s than the one in question have displayed paint imperfections in varying degrees some even while still under guarantee from the MMC..?

I bought my Morgan from the owner of a garage business specialised in high quality bodywork repairs on all sorts of vehicles, he was also a Morgan enthusiast, who having come across the equivalent of a barn find mid 80`s +8 which had only circa 8k miles on the clock, set about stripping it down and rebuilding it to create a long life Morgan, in terms of improving on sealing in ALL the areas where he well knew from experience would i have potential to harbour moisture, and give rise to corrosion in time. He did a grand job of it, so much so it must have pained him every time he heard a stone bounce off the paintwork after all the skill time and effort he put into creating his idea of THE perfect Morgan, and one that would keep it`s wonderful appearance for years to come.

Likewise I have a few friends who own a different marque of sports car and I note the way they treasure their machines in a wide variety of ways.... I treasure mine too... Though machine worship can for some remove the enjoyment of driving it to the stage where one can become addicted to being over fussy over the slightest paint imperfection, or even the idea of exposure to the possibility of acquiring a paint imperfection, to the extent that enjoyment in using the machine on the road seems to present just too much risk with the consequence that the machine becomes a garage queen, either partially or fully... For sure some folk can derive enough in the way of enjoyment from their Morgan as garage queens, or used only to attend an occasional car show, cars & coffee morning get together... some might take on sporting events in muddy fields, or travel through Europe and beyond...Nuts or what...? (-:

Yeah well much depends upon the ideals one holds at the time of purchase, it seems all too simple to become a servant of the machine as opposed to the machine being the servant...?

Unless the machine has had a nut and bolt rebuild such as mine had circa Y2K and been very, very, carefully stored, what are the chances it might have a paint bubble or two, mine sure has, it has even has suffered a ding or two over the years... All it would take to get it back to the concours prize winner it actually was, a year or so after my initial purchase of it, is a new owner who might wish it to spent time and money on it to make it a trophy winner again... or perhaps a different type of person who just wants to enter sporting events or head off in search of adventure and carry out whatever repairs and improvements may be required or desired in the passage of time...?

I think the days of "investors" in Morgans and other classics from the point of view of financial benefit over time, looking for a near perfect investment vehicle, have or may be in the process of reassessing the market...?

Buying old cars and perhaps worse still old sports cars is not without a degree of risk, and seeking perfection in such a vehicle can be an interesting pastime, maintaining that perfection whether worthwhile or not...?

Wishing the OP the best of luck in his decision making.... drive

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It’s a very common issue and usually just cosmetic.

It is often caused by the scuttle being steel and the quarter panel being Aluminium.

I think some years of Morgan’s are more prone. My Dad had a 2007 car and that had corrosion but I have seen other cars that are unaffected

BHM have one for sale for a good price given the paint issues

https://morgan-kent.com/2007-morgan-4-4-1-8-duratec-engine-28000-miles/

The key point is that it’s cosmetic and won’t impact the way it drives. However it will impact the value.

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You can have mine for that price - a 2002 car in way better condition. Absolutely no body issues at all. Alloy body, galvanised chassis, and stainless bulkhead, plus undersealed from new - wonder if that is the key?

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BHM car apart from the classic corrosion to the screen pillars looks to be all contact damage!

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Originally Posted by sewin
BHM car apart from the classic corrosion to the screen pillars looks to be all contact damage!
Is that the polite way of describing the wonky rear bumper ???? innocent
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