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Originally Posted by Jens
Morgan did a good job in designing a sports car in the mid 1930s. Very low center of gravity (underslung frame), independent front suspension, low weight. They added to that a dazzling appearance and an affordable price to appeal to buyers.

The car then competed four times at Le Mans, so with a 4/4 (4-4) or Plus 4, you basically have a Le Mans racer in your garage. In addition, Morgan cars successfully participated in countless rallies and club races.

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So a Trad is clearly a sports car, albeit a very old-fashioned one.

The CX still has to earn its sporting merits, so let's see if anything comes of it.

You could use that sort of logic to claim that the Prince Henry Vauxhall was still a sports car, or the original de dion bouton. They are very interesting historic relics but not sport cars any longer. I was once a young man - sadly I am no longer.

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I took part in a sports driving course with a number of Morgan drivers. This was before the CX era. The instructor, who usually drove high-performance sports cars, was surprised at how well the Morgans performed on the flat race track.


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Liking this on Car and Classic - irritatingly, says reserve not met at £85k but unable to see what the reserve is.

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Looking at other ads for similar cars for sale, I would suspect the reserve was significantly north of £85K. Fabulous car, but being an AM comes with potentially prodigious running and maintenance costs.


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The Porsche idea is a good one, but not the 914. How about a 924? That's basically the German counterpart to the MGB Coupé, but with corrosion resistance.
Fully galvanized since 1980.

So why do they still rot?


Howard, having spent rather a lot of time welding in patches to my own Porsches, I suspect the important thing is that they do indeed rot despite being galvanised more so the air cooled variety, as they did not have the benefit of plastic guards under the wings to stop crud being thrown into the corners where it would collect to create the usual corrosion traps...oncee Porsche started fitting underwing guards things began to improve, but I have seen Porsches as late as 997`s with bubbling around the edges of the wings that will be hiding corrosion issues none to simple to resolve... Condensation within closed sections is also part of the cause of corrosion, as it is on many vehicles....

Not many closed sections on my Trad...(-:

An advantage to us older men, keeping the air circulating around various bits of us. Not to mention washing bits of us when it rains and you're driving your trad!

Steel doesnt have to rot. The company that seemed to have cracked the issue, in my experience, was Volvo. We had an S60 once that was used all year round for close on 200k miles and underneath there wasnt a patch of rust. And no after factory treatment to achieve this.

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Originally Posted by Jens
I took part in a sports driving course with a number of Morgan drivers. This was before the CX era. The instructor, who usually drove high-performance sports cars, was surprised at how well the Morgans performed on the flat race track.
The divide between the family run-about and a sports car was once not so great. Both Morgan and MG were good examples of cars that were built to be sports cars but uses slightly tuned engines in light chassis and bodies, better brakes and suspension that encouraged exuberant cornering, and, of course, the combination gave a satisfying acceleration by comparison to the average aforementioned family car.

The price of these cars remained reasonably affordable for a young man or a young couple. My father struggled to decide between the Morgan and the MG at the 1948 Earls Court Motor Show (at 18 months old I couldn't help with the decision). In the end he ordered a blue MG which was the first of that colour to arrive in Australia.

There were more expensive sports cars, such as the Jaguar, but even there I am sure the divide between the luxury sedan and the luxury sports car was not as great as it is today.

Unfortunately few sports cars are now in the affordable range for an ordinary person. For a while the "hot hatch" took that role but for an open sports car the Mazda MX5 is the only one that comes to mind: reasonable performance in a good package at a reasonable price. There has to be a reason as to why the MX5 has, over the years, the greatest number of sales of all sports cars. At £28,585 to £35,815 RRP it is an attractive and affordable package at about 25% more than the Mazda 3, for example.


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