I have two cousins, brothers who were about 5 to 7 years older than myself, one was into BSA the other Truimph, so immense rivalry and batter between them and they had a garage full of part disassembed 50's, 60's bikes, always in a state of disrepair and reassembly ,which was the norm with them. I alway made a point of turning up at their house in the 70's on my Norton 850........needless to say got lots of abuse from both of them......but little things like electric start, would really get their goat going.
I think the issue in part stems from being subjected to oil tight, reliable Japanese bikes from the late 60's onwards, which changed the motorcycling norm of what we can expect from a bike, and focused on the shortfalls of british bikes by comparison. Before Japanese bike, the British bikes set the norm, and oil leaks, unreliability was the then accepted norm. One of my Dad's friemd's was a painter who used to carry all his decorating tools, ladders,etc. in his sidecar.......along with a massive tool kit to keep the bike going. and he only did local trips, but he considered it part of the journey. of ownership. He hardly ever used his cars, would trade them in every 3 years or so for a new one , with hardly any miles on them, but kept the bike going well into his 70's.
Modern bikes do tend to be bland, but are amazingly good at being bland, low maintence, tend to be very reliable, often amazingly fast, brake, go round corners and do everything you want of them amazingly well, but lack the character of machines from the past.
John, I suspect one sets one`s datum in the era of ones formative years in terms of matters automotive...? Perhaps even as in little time as the passage of a decade can make quite a difference in one`s preferences, given the likely speed of progress in the 1900`s ..? Norton Dominator and Triumph Bonniville, much less so BSA were the top dogs in my era, the plain bearing on the crank in the Beesa was not a favourite, though my uncle (ex racer) being circa 25 years older than I had raced a 500 BSA Gold Star, which he preferred to the Manx Norton... In those times if it did not leak oil it had none left in it... (-: My Barbour jacket had pockets full of pliers, screw driver, spark plug, various chain links, half links, spring links, even some clutch corks... in it, every time one threw it down the road gravel rash was expected, but the hope was that one did not end up with pliers or screw driver embedded in one`s anatomy... (-:
I guess my "era" spanned the growing domination of Jap bikes, my pal had a Triumph dealership, later Triumph BSA before changing over to Honda... I well remember the brand new oil in frame Bonivilles leaking oil out of their push rod tubes after very few miles..!!! Triumph Twins used external push rod tubes for decades, sigh... Seems that silicone gasket goo arrived just at the right time for Triumphs new Bonny... I well remember the first Honda Gold Wing in Scotland arriving at his dealership, which he intended to put on track at Knockhill, and asked me to put some miles on it beforehand, which I initially did on the M8 between Glasgow and Edinburgh back and forth a few times, Once opened up it was a powerful lump at the time but no racer for sure, though I do remember it sliding under power , and the front tyre hopping under heavy braking.... Interesting machine, compared to the 850 Commando he lent me to take to the IOM, which was a whole lot different from my slimline Featherbead Dommi .... I went back to m/cycles in my 50`s and bought a BMW R 80R, still as daft as ever I even rode the thing in the snow... I gave up on bikes when I required to wear glasses..
John that which you applied to bikes in your last paragraph above, is identical to that which I apply to both cars and bikes... and why when the sun is out, my old Mog sees more use than the 991...(-:
P.S. I have another pal who is still into bikes, and has a collection of old Triumphs, which he restored, even has a modern Harley, though he suffered an episode while trying to kick over one of his old Triumphs and ended up in hospital to have a stent fitted...Fortunately recovered well, now has just completed the restoration of an old dog of a 500 velo, staring that will no doubt be a bit of a health risk... As ever each to their own. Hope your "new" bike brings much pleasure. BTW a local youngster has a imported and EVO Harley from the US, and is currently jumping through hoops in a bid to get it UK registered
I met the owner/rider of this machine at Dawlish Sainsburys filling station several weeks ago and admiring his bike had an interesting natter - he even mentioned toying with the idea of getting himself a Morgan. He mention too it is a very limited edition of hand made bikes but requires servicing in France, as no one in Britain is capable enough to work on them. To my eye the machine stood out immediately as something very special and even superior to the original from the lean looking sculpted bare metal parts and exposed bare bones of the frame. I certainly would not call it a travesty.
I well remember the first Honda Gold Wing in Scotland arriving at his dealership, which he intended to put on track at Knockhill, and asked me to put some miles on it beforehand, which I initially did on the M8 between Glasgow and Edinburgh back and forth a few times, Once opened up it was a powerful lump at the time but no racer for sure, though I do remember it sliding under power , and the front tyre hopping under heavy braking....
I had an early Gl1000 Goldwing, which I'd bought off a mate back in the mid 90's. There was a chunk ground away on both sides of the timing belt cover, after a rather enthusiastic lap of the IOMTT he'd done. Did about 130,000 miles in her, but the engine eventually gave up the ghost. I fitted a new one, but got fed up with the rather temperamental carbs and let her go last year.
Originally Posted by Luddite
BTW a local youngster has a imported and EVO Harley from the US, and is currently jumping through hoops in a bid to get it UK registered
Both my 1984 FLHT (EVO) and 1980 XLH (Ironhead) were imports. Found the process really straightforward - sent all the documents off, and a few weeks later got a V5 through the post and an email with the new reg number.
As long as he has a NOVA and a Dating Cert (previous US Title, or an email from HD)he should have no problems.
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I well remember the first Honda Gold Wing in Scotland arriving at his dealership, which he intended to put on track at Knockhill, and asked me to put some miles on it beforehand, which I initially did on the M8 between Glasgow and Edinburgh back and forth a few times, Once opened up it was a powerful lump at the time but no racer for sure, though I do remember it sliding under power , and the front tyre hopping under heavy braking....
I had an early Gl1000 Goldwing, which I'd bought off a mate back in the mid 90's. There was a chunk ground away on both sides of the timing belt cover, after a rather enthusiastic lap of the IOMTT he'd done. Did about 130,000 miles in her, but the engine eventually gave up the ghost. I fitted a new one, but got fed up with the rather temperamental carbs and let her go last year.
Originally Posted by Luddite
BTW a local youngster has a imported and EVO Harley from the US, and is currently jumping through hoops in a bid to get it UK registered
Both my 1984 FLHT (EVO) and 1980 XLH (Ironhead) were imports. Found the process really straightforward - sent all the documents off, and a few weeks later got a V5 through the post and an email with the new reg number.
As long as he has a NOVA and a Dating Cert (previous US Title, or an email from HD)he should have no problems.
Thanks for the reply TBM, I think the issue is that this bike has been through a few hands and that the youngster bought it without the required paperwork, which seems to be the issue. I do remember a pal buying an American import Triumph 650 Twin (TR6..?) from a UK importer perhaps 20 years or so ago, and it having all the required paperwork to get it UK registered, which he later restored, I sprayed the tank and mudguards back to original for him. Coincidentally, at the same time I had my first ride on a Harley.... While the look sound and low down power of the Harley (shovel head) impressed me greatly, the Triumph more suited my m/cycle preferences..
I met the owner/rider of this machine at Dawlish Sainsburys filling station several weeks ago and admiring his bike had an interesting natter - he even mentioned toying with the idea of getting himself a Morgan. He mention too it is a very limited edition of hand made bikes but requires servicing in France, as no one in Britain is capable enough to work on them. To my eye the machine stood out immediately as something very special and even superior to the original from the lean looking sculpted bare metal parts and exposed bare bones of the frame. I certainly would not call it a travesty.
Having enjoyed seeing the real thing at Bovington with Graham during a couple of visits there I strongly disagree, they had class and style a plenty and were very advanced for the time.
This is like an Egli Vincent except they actually look akin to the real deal, whereas this pastiche is fugly, as in choice of Morgan’s it’s an individual thing.
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I'll just leave this here for people to judge for themselves ... it's a value judgenent thing so there's no right or wrong ..... the original wasn't by any means sleek ... however for me there's no contest! 🙂
I'll just leave this here for people to judge for themselves ... it's a value judgenent thing so there's no right or wrong ..... the original wasn't by any means sleek ... however for me there's no contest! 🙂
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Would be the original for me, though that Moggo mentioned that this new "Brough" was of French manufacture piqued my interest so went off in search of some more info and found this vid. Having got so used to the sound of the V Twin Harley, I would not have imagined this bike to sound as it does... Interesting concept, though unlike the original it seems not to have had the investment potential that can be so important for some...?
There are NOS ndicators for sale in the US, I might get them as spares and have them converted to LED bulbs, as the inevitable will happen at some point. The front indicators have been replaced with similar style new LED units for the last MOT, If you know of anyone who can do the conversion let me know or is iit a simple plug and play,although I know the LED lower current draw has to be compensated for as the blink rate will be out of alignment. I dislike electrics more than mechanics., although the tool box was out whilst sorting a few things on the bike. .It was nice to be working on Imperial again, took me back to my youth.
I've installed a 'BADLANDS' module on both my Harleys - firstly it works with any type of bulb - LED and Incandescent, and secondly it removes the ridiculous system where you have to keep the indicator button pushed in. It makes it more like the BMW system - press button once and indicators turn on, press again and it turns off, and also has an auto cutoff after about 10 seconds. You can also press both buttons at the same time and get a Hazard light function.
I think I have self cancelling indicators, and press both for the hazards...they may have become standard fit back in the early '90's. possibly '91 as my '90 Gray Ghost Fatboy from memory didn't have the feature,Many thanks for the info.
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Perhaps the French did themselves an injustice by naming it after a British Classic. A more apt name might have been "Le Baguette Supérieur", after the shape of the fuel tank, the part which I felt did not replicate the original as well as it might have alongside the spoked wheels that would have looked much nicer had they been formed of wire S/S as per the original Brough Superior.