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#848222 14/08/26 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sewin
The GEMS system is quite different and was fitted for a relatively short period in the V8's life. There is a lot of information on the GOMOG site where Lorne tackles it in some detail including scanning fault codes. I'd suggest you have a look there. Lorne is also very happy to answer questions directly and this I feel will be a good shortcut for setting you on the road of understanding.

You do me too much credit Sewin!. 🙂 TY. But at the core of the gomog section on GEMS is David Poole's GEMS Manual, the very first such thing back when. It is brilliant and was all-marque pivotal. Best I can do with GEMS is know where to find answers. David was the eMog GEMS guru, self-taught like I am. FYI, GEMS was used by the MMC for all Overseas +8s, the bulk of its Plus 8 production from 1998 and run with a bespoke fuel map prepared under the direction of Chris Lawrence whole he simultaneously worked on the Aero-to-be. However, after 2000 until 2004, all Plus 8s.used the Discovery 2 version. A total for the MMC of almost 6 years and beating the timeline duration of many other systems. In the UK, the MMC did not switch to GEMS when LR did. They kept using the Hotwire system until 2000. So many almost simultaneous variants make for an incredible mess of conflicting knowledge and parts confusion. 😭 Happens every day on forums and parts purchasing.

[i] Personally, my mind prefers the simpler, more potent L-Jetronics & Hotwires (UK 1984 to 2000). [/i]

Originally Posted by John M
My 2003+ 8 has only about 5650 miles, been excellently maintained by previous owner, who obviously hadn't drive in much. I've only driven it 150 miles in short trips since purchasing it last December. The 'check engine' light just came on last night, as I was driving, but the car runs fine, all gauges are where they should be. ..... scanner also like to buy a relatively inexpensive BD reader or scanner, but don't know where to begin, particularly with the old 4-litre engine. I've read here that it is fitted with the GEMS system. Any recommendations from you experts would be much appreciated.

Congratulation on your purchase, John!

Beware. Low mileage Morgans have a special set of problems all their own. Experience suggests you should stick with short trips until these reveal themselves.

There were many scanners used on this system, including a MMC bespoke one which I have. But most are no longer made. I would NOT own a GEMS without one. They come up on ebay.co.uk regularly. I see yet another scanner being offered in the UK..called iCarsoft. Anyone here know it? https://tinyurl.com/57c9u82j Reviews from non-Moggers are good. Of course, GEMS moggers will have to know what to input as the subject model/year.

Lorne (who runs all his Plus 8s on enhanced Morgan L-Jetronics)

P.S. Don't worry too much about the check engine light...there will be more in time. (wryly) For the rest of us, this light responds to infinitely more calls that it did before issues than it did before complex EFI arrived. Considering it disappeared with better fuel, my guess is this one was caused by the last of the old fuel and a consequently annoyed oxygen sensor (you have 4) . Use the highest octane fuel you can find. .

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Lorne, I have the icarsoft scanner, Had it now for at least 10 years and they are quite good as they will scan your vehicle and tell you what you have! They are also up-dateable via the internet. I have other scanners, some vehicle specific and find them more temperamental than the icarsoft. I bought the universal scanner and have found it to have been a good choice.

I have had a look now and then at what they have to offer and I think the latest offerings are way superior to mine although I have never needed more as yet.

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The switch to 97 octane from 95 worked on my 2002 Plus8.
My Autel Maxiscan is old and Autel stopped doing updates for it. It was excellent for the Plus8. The live running option was good for identifying which O2 sensor was faulty. Voltage for each was shown and the faulty one had wildly fluctuating voltage whilst the 3 good ones were steady, consistent.
It was handy for other checks too. I did runs to measure the temperature of IAT ( incoming air temp) to help trying to reduce under bonnet temperature and get cooler air through the filter. Also coolant temperature with airflow improvement attempts.
It was just a fault reader that could also cancel faults and no map adjustment like the bespoke ones. A very useful tool.


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Originally Posted by sewin
Lorne, I have the icarsoft scanner, Had it now for at least 10 years and they are quite good as they will scan your vehicle and tell you what you have! .....

Originally Posted by sospan
.My Autel Maxiscan is old and Autel stopped doing updates for it. It was excellent for the Plus8...A very useful tool.

Thank you Gentlemen. I shall post this to the GEMS section on GoMoG. There are 1000+ GEMS Plus 8s out there and, at the moment, with the current prices and aging owners, many are changing hands. Posterity will be grateful to you both. cheers

Lorne

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I have a Wican Pro dongle which I am trying to use in order to get some Gems data into my Home Automation software - more for the Geek factor rather than any Automotive motive. Not getting very far at the moment as it gets power from Pins 5 and 16, whereas the Morgan does not have Pin 5 connected. I have asked the supplier if it is possible to patch pins 4 and 5 but no response at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Rovert
I have a Wican Pro dongle which I am trying to use in order to get some Gems data into my Home Automation software - more for the Geek factor rather than any Automotive motive. Not getting very far at the moment as it gets power from Pins 5 and 16, whereas the Morgan does not have Pin 5 connected. I have asked the supplier if it is possible to patch pins 4 and 5 but no response at the moment.

Could you use a 'DY29 4MM 16 Pin OBD II Automotive Protocol Diagnostic Detector Tester Tool' and patch the pins together ? available from ebay etc.


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That is an interesting bit of kit Mike, thanks for pointing it out. It would be useful for confirming that my problem is actually Pin 4/5 related, the complication is that I would like the Wican permanently connected. If I do not hear from the Wican manufacturer I think I will try one out.


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