However, it does read a bit like my minds made up, so don't bore me with the facts.
Not at all, my posts are a culmination of a long, long time thinking/reading/seeing the XJ220, from being a boy to recently having a ride in one which exceeded all expectations. I certainly don't mean to come across as pig-headed so sorry to anyone if that's the vibe they've had. My mind is never wholly made up because a justified opinion is never wrong, just different
As we've now high-jacked this thread away from your original post, I'll now shut-up but it's good to remember the full history.
No no, it's all relevant - after all, I certainly won't like it if they end up putting out a version without all the tech present in the concept car, that being the point of it.
The difference for me is that obviously I wasn't really fully aware at the time all of this stuff that was going on (being a lad who'd seen it at the motor show) and certainly not in a position to put a deposit down! I think this obviously affects my perspective because, such is life, opinions are formed of the experiences you have.
I'm not a huge fan of the Jag V12 - to me it only ever made sense in the XJ - so even the Le Mans connection doesn't really do it for me (though my Scalextric set most certainly had an XJR-9!).
By contrast I adore rallying (especially the Group B era) and the 6R4 and even though it's a bit of a bastardised engine it was developed by some very talented people (namely Patrick Head).
I suppose this is it: what's iconic to me is different than to you (and others). I just feel it is maligned and should be judged on its own merits as a car some 20 years on rather than Jag dropping a clanger with customers (which is relevant and provides lessons but doesn't to me lessen the impact the car had in terms of outright performance).
Brian has covered my other points but both EB110's and F1's are worth considerably more than XJ220's and so is a 959?? Unless I'm completely out of touch?
I didn't say they were worth less, just that their values had not held up.
As above, EB110 values were at an all-time-low before the launch of the Veyron. IIRC less than £100k would buy you a good EB110 a few years ago, with SS versions not being worth much more. List price of the GT when new was around £350k, God knows how much the SS was (still not enough to save the company). SS are being tucked away in collections now I think.
McLaren failed to sell as many F1s as they hoped and used values were considerably below the new price. I think the cheapest one auctioned off in the late '90s was about £400k! Again it's only recently that their values have started heading seriously north, more than doubling in the last few years from about £1m to as much as £3m now for a collection grade example.
959s are worth about £160k or so now I think, which is roughly half of what they cost new.
XJR-15s are weird, for a small-scale race car for the road you would expect values to be high but they go for about the same as an XJ220, despite costing over twice as much and in some ways being much closer to the original 220 concept. I really don't understand why this is, which is why it's pointless judging a car by market value it seems!
What a kerfuffle!
