Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by nick w
Surely it costs the environment the same, no matter what time it's generated?


Nope. Consider the difference between nukes and gas for example.

A nuke has to run at more or less full bore all the time, whereas gas can be turned up and down at a moment's notice. One of the tradeoffs is therefore environmental impact vs flexibility.

Historically it has been well-nigh impossible to store electricity so we've been constrained to only using nukes to provide baseload. Now we have batteries we can decrease the amount we need to use gas by shifting night generation to use it in the day.

Originally Posted by nick w

And about the 50% efficiency in 20 years who cares I'll be dead thing....if my current system was working at 50% I (and maybe most of us) woukd find that unusable so would either have to use the grid more (which will have been the case all through as the efficiency decreases) or replace the batteries. Assuming replacement, hasn't that just handed a huge problem to the next but one generation.


Batteries aren't exhausted in the same way that fuel is though, they just need to be recycled

Originally Posted by nick w

Don't both the above scupper the eco argument and expose the true motives for all this...financial gain?


It's certainly true that a lot of people are only prepared to shift to low-impact energy usage if it's of financial benefit to them, which is pretty depressing really, but I suppose it's better than refusing to do anything.

Are you telling me only nucleur runs at night, no gas?
No eco cost in recycling batteries? Don't forget they have to be replaced by the initial owner , so new ones for every recycled.
But people aren't refusing to do anything.nthey can't afford it.mA proper way forward wouod be to subsidise it in a way that allowed ordinary people to take eco steps rather that a simple financial gain for already wealthy people. Remember that all these subsidies are financed from extra charges added to the bills of the folk who can't afford to take advantage of the offers.