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Jokes aside, I truly hope those driving made it out ok. Quite the crash from the look of it. That's the most important thing Perry, that steering wheel does look bent though. Does anyone know if everyone got out unhurt? The owner is a TM member and was last online on the 25th so we assume he is o.k. thank goodness. This was the original thread of the damaged car Brian  . http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/394451/1
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The damage looks almost head on. It is quite a demonstration of the strength of the cars and the way the impact energy is shed as past the bulkhead it looks (visually) OK.
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Writing off nearly new cars can't be green. In an ideal world, manufacturers would provide a new panelled & painted and glazed shell that everything else could be refitted to. Obviously car makers have no incentive to do this because they want to sell complete cars. But the cost of writing off in bourne by us all in rising insurance costs.
Cars are now like everything else - progress is so fast that last years technology is obsolete this year. Thats unfair. In the case of Lotus you can buy a complete new ally frame for it. The problem is that the cost of stripping the old car and re-assembling onto the new frame is more than the end car is worth by some margin. That isnt the case with an Aero and there was just such an example a little while back where a damaged Aero was rebuilt onto a new ally structure, Instead the problem is that with glued and rivetted ally structures you cannot pull them back straight as you can with welded steel so its either very light repairs or bin it. The irony being, these ally structures are no lighter than steel ones. They are being used because the cost of press tooling for steel bodies is only viable in the sort of volume that Porsche do. One final comment. All aluminium Ferraris do seem to get bashed back straight after a prang. Obviously the cost makes this viable but I also wonder if its easier to do because the bodies are welded not glued and rivetted. Maybe that allows them to be pulled straight. Certainly it will allow panels to be cut out and replace panels welded in. All about money in the end.
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So.....will pre 2017 trads double in value or become worthless?........
Nick Neither! Probably stay very much as they are today, possibly increasing slowly as time goes by. Of course in 2057 all trads will be classified as "Classics!!" . . . Assuming the rolling 40 year rule remains. But being honest now, we know that aluminium doesn't have a long life and suffers a high write off rate.the aero chasis is unrepairable if it's hit anything harder than a hen crossing the road....so in 2057 there certainly won't be any 40 year old ones around will there. I bet there will still be the 1950s ones still plodding around......  Nick Curious as to what you mean by aluminium not having a long life? Or do you mean it as in its less likely to have a longer life due to being harder to repair?
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Writing off nearly new cars can't be green. In an ideal world, manufacturers would provide a new panelled & painted and glazed shell that everything else could be refitted to. Obviously car makers have no incentive to do this because they want to sell complete cars. But the cost of writing off in bourne by us all in rising insurance costs.
Cars are now like everything else - progress is so fast that last years technology is obsolete this year. Thats unfair. In the case of Lotus you can buy a complete new ally frame for it. The problem is that the cost of stripping the old car and re-assembling onto the new frame is more than the end car is worth by some margin. That isnt the case with an Aero and there was just such an example a little while back where a damaged Aero was rebuilt onto a new ally structure, Instead the problem is that with glued and rivetted ally structures you cannot pull them back straight as you can with welded steel so its either very light repairs or bin it. The irony being, these ally structures are no lighter than steel ones. They are being used because the cost of press tooling for steel bodies is only viable in the sort of volume that Porsche do. One final comment. All aluminium Ferraris do seem to get bashed back straight after a prang. Obviously the cost makes this viable but I also wonder if its easier to do because the bodies are welded not glued and rivetted. Maybe that allows them to be pulled straight. Certainly it will allow panels to be cut out and replace panels welded in. All about money in the end. Re the Ferrari repairing. I watched the episode of FastnFurious where they rebuilt a wrecked Ferrari (F40 I think). A specialist jigged the car and pulled it back to Ferrari tolerances so the car was repairable. OK it is a car worth in the region of £700k or thereabouts so the figures add up to a rebuild. As for the post deformation strength of the metal....depends on the amount of deformation and microstructural change. Bonded joints? Don't know about those but, if a chassis has designed in bolt on sections then rebuilds may be possible. I think ( based on sketchy knowledge) that bonded joibts are too strong to deal with. Excluding top end niche cars, the mass produced cars tend to have structural parts replaced with new as a matter of course. Assessors give repairers a fixed target cost for the job re labour and this tends to mean quck cut and weld on panels. The days of panel beaters hand working dents are now limited to cost allowances from insurers. Smart repairers have stepped in for minor dents.
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So.....will pre 2017 trads double in value or become worthless?........
Nick Neither! Probably stay very much as they are today, possibly increasing slowly as time goes by. Of course in 2057 all trads will be classified as "Classics!!" . . . Assuming the rolling 40 year rule remains. But being honest now, we know that aluminium doesn't have a long life and suffers a high write off rate.the aero chasis is unrepairable if it's hit anything harder than a hen crossing the road....so in 2057 there certainly won't be any 40 year old ones around will there. I bet there will still be the 1950s ones still plodding around...... Nick Curious as to what you mean by aluminium not having a long life? Or do you mean it as in its less likely to have a longer life due to being harder to repair? I did really mean from the repair angle, tho there's plenty of corrosion possibilities too.......are the rivets aluminium too? But where it meets anything else the aluminium suffers...... Nick
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So that is it (Or not!)
A modular chassis from Lotus using their suspension and steering expertise in a front engine format.
Riveted front and rear ends for easy repair.
Pushed around the Morgan factory for engine, ash frame and 2/4 seater trad body to be fitted.
Narrow wings as 70's 4/4 to maximise passenger area.
Probably some form of pop up roll bars to keep the regs happy. Air bags designed in. Lower front wings for pedestrian protection.
Electric hood or a traditional lift a dot at extra cost.
All the Morgan skills fully utilised and a fully tried and tested chassis and suspension.
Gosh at this rate Morgan would get more than 2 stars from the reviewers.
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Shame about the 3W, wonder how they are going with the trads? I am told that while the import approval is still valid, orders for the Classic (Trad) Morgan have been suspended in Australia. Last orders for the Australian 3W will be March 2017 for delivery by October 2017 pending ADR compliance resolution. From the 'sales person' I spoke to at the Chateau Impney Hill Climb:
"There will be no more trads after 2018".
Methinks there are a number of regulation changes that make the demise of the trad trad a certainty.
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