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Originally Posted By madmax
The other car was doing well over and it would have been signed as a junction to slow down and there were people on the road side which would have made drivers more cautious ..but not that one ! Ok Mog driver was at fault but so was on coming driver. Quite normal for cars to pull out of junctions these days knowing people have to slow or they will slam into car in front .

While it's no defence, had the Morgan pulled out in front of a car doing 50, they'd have missed by miles.

I'd not be too surprised if the police took no action as the Morgan owners defence of having left plenty of room for a legally driven car, and the question of how many leptons does one then allow for. A decent lawyer would have a field day here.

I bet the insurance is not simple either.



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Terrible...

The Morgan driver had his side screens on when it looks such a nice day

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Playing it in slow motion there is no evidence the Morgan driver turned his head to "check left"... culpable.

No evidence the Audi driver tried to avoid to the right, even though there is space on the road and from the lack of dive it suggests no serious application of the brakes. Also from the damage to the Mog the Audi driver was turning to the verge, not to the right lane. Together, and ignoring the speed, a serious lack of roadcraft.
Interesting how the ramp rear on the Mog almost flipped the Audi. A bit more speed and I think the Audi would have been upside down in the woods...

Be interesting to know the final outcome.


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Originally Posted By madmax
The other car was doing well over and it would have been signed as a junction to slow down and there were people on the road side which would have made drivers more cautious ..but not that one ! Ok Mog driver was at fault but so was on coming driver. Quite normal for cars to pull out of junctions these days knowing people have to slow or they will slam into car in front .


Ok, I'll bite..

Firstly, how do you conclude in a few seconds of video clip that the Peugeot was "doing well over"..? Nothing else is available to prove either way.

Secondly, at what point would any reasonable person expect the Peugeot driver to do anything different? You clearly hear the horn before the car appears, and any reasonable driver would at the very least be covering the brake at this point. We simply don't have enough information to make judgements from there.

Originally Posted By Martyn Culling

While it's no defence, had the Morgan pulled out in front of a car doing 50, they'd have missed by miles.

I'd not be too surprised if the police took no action as the Morgan owners defence of having left plenty of room for a legally driven car, and the question of how many leptons does one then allow for. A decent lawyer would have a field day here.

I bet the insurance is not simple either.



I've heard it all, now..!! The Peugeot could have been doing 150 and the Morgan would have missed it by miles if it was far enough away..!

Quite why the insurance would be complicated is a baffle. If it was me, my insurance would pay for my repairs. That's what it's for.

There are degrees of blameworthiness in every crash. From the legal perspective, the Morgan driver has little in his defence. He started his manoeuvre showing off by over revving his engine from the wrong side of the junction and failed to take each carriageway as an individual road. He failed to look left with any degree of time and accuracy as far as I can tell, and caused an oncoming car with full right of way to crash. That part is simple.

If there were any injuries, the argument surrounding the Peugeot's actions would be debated. Much more would be needed and the witness testimony would be considered.

I doubt there were any injuries, other than shaken up and minor bruising. Both cars, whilst reacting shockingly to onlookers (and clearly the camera operator was shaken) stayed on their wheels and stopped under control.

It could have ended up much, much worse. The Morgan could have been hit amidships, or the Peugeot could have ridden up the drivers side and hit the Morgan drivers head.

So...who's for a lynch mob, then..?

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Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate
He started his manoeuvre showing off by over revving his engine from the wrong side of the junction and failed to take each carriageway as an individual road. He failed to look left with any degree of time and accuracy as far as I can tell, and caused an oncoming car with full right of way to crash. That part is simple.


Exactly this.

The driver was clearly trying to amuse the onlookers with his exhaust pipes.

There are so many similar videos of people at car gatherings giving their cars a bit of welly for the crowds and then hitting something when they run out of talent.


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Have to say I do feel a bit bad for him, though.. Not only has he cocked up & caused a prang, messed his Morgan season up before it starts, he's probably looking at fine & points PLUS he'll never live it down as it's all been caught on camera..


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It's just the sort of thing you see hire car drivers doing - I wonder if it was... sherlock..


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The legal position during my time in blue is that you must not cause an oncoming car with right of way to alter course or to slow down.

The fact that everyone just seems to pull out into dual carriageways these days and expect people with right of way to move over just shows how bad driving has become in the UK - that does not even account for the bad road manners of doing just that.

You have to drive defensively as though everyone one else on the road is totally incompetent and watching the video I just cannot fathom what the Morgan driver was up to - he showed no self preservation for himself or his car.

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Audi......Peugeot ......I'm confused!

I'm quite surprised at the number of people who seem keen to heap blame on the Peugeot...or was it an an Audi driver driving a Peugeot? On the video it's impossible to judge the speed of the Peugeot. If they panicked when confronted with the Morgan pulling out and failed to take avoiding action.....well in the very short space of time this accident happened....can you really blame them?
I'd love to think I'd have the expertise and driving skills to avoid such an accident but if I was honest I'd probably stamp on the brakes , say "oh dermot" and plough into them in exactly the same way. We are not all driving gods.


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