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Good Evening (Morning) OZ 4/4

I tend not to post much within the forum as one post leads to another, questions etc. and i end up sat here all day and night. But i am watching and follow with interest.

Please see my post from August 2015 this will assist in the answers below.

Re: Chassis upgrade kit for pre 2014 M3W #293908 - 04/08/15 06:32 PM

1) What has been done to ensure this doesn’t happen again in new vehicles? The 2014 model refined and addressed some of the concerns / changes needed - chassis - steering - bevel box noise - compensator system all updated on the 2014 model (as per my previous post no failures recorded on vehicles built after January 2014)

2) The guarantee Morgan will provide on the repair? (Upgrade sorry) MMC have not refused to assist any owner with either replacement chassis or the brace kit (we are still receiving claims for the brace kits now 4 years after it's release and 7 years after the cars were manufactured)

3) How many pre January 2014 await checking and or repair?This is more difficult to answer, obviously we sent letters via the DVLA database, but we didn't necessarily have all customer addresses for overseas owners, in that instant each dealer was informed of each vehicle (by chassis number) they had sold that required checking. Additionally a formal network bulletin was issued instructing dealers to check cars while in for the annual service.

4) Have ALL owners been notified? See Above

5) Cost to the owner and time frame to “upgrade” afflicted vehicles? No cost of parts or labour for chassis change or brace kit ,although many took advantage while the engine was out to have centa drive, or other upgrades fitted, so may have resulted in a cost.

6) Compensation to owners for the loss of use or “quiet enjoyment” of their vehicle? You really aren't expecting me to answer this question and open a whole another debate?



Thank you

Mark

5:29 pm Mark......the workforce have clocked off....you should be on your way home for tea 😉

The reply from Mark Evans really only applies to the original cracking problem involving the top tubes.

It does not really answer the questions from OZ 4/4 with regard to the latest cracks that have only appeared recently, i.e the front lower wishbone mount.

If we applied the same questions to that problem, it would be interesting to hear the answers.

The same could be said for the breaking of the weld on the earlier brake pedals with the MW3 cut outs.

KBMOG

Not sure what you're question really is, the first post in this thread from 2014 is reference a crack in the lower section of the chassis. So it's not a recent thing that has suddenly started to happen, we need to careful we don't confuse the information.

We felt that movement predominantly from the top of the chassis was the reason behind the lower section failure, hence the top brace.

All vehicles have been repaired under Warranty, regardless of where any failure was.

Now you'll understand why i don't post much, one answer leads to another question.

Yes Jays I'm still at it

Mark Evans

I had both upper and lower cracks. We (dealer and I) believe that the cracks at the top started first and when they completely sheered it cascaded to the lower which could no longer take the strain.

This happens at initial startup. The torque of this motor is on the ridiculous side and when one cylinder catches and the other skips a beat then the swings are enormous. This is why the 'skip-fire' mode gives me the creeps. It is a real strain on the frame. I have entered skip-fire twice and it is not fun. It feels like the motor is trying to leave the building!

I'm looking into adding an active oil cooler as well as some fans to avoid this. Motorcycle frames wrap around the engine while the Morgan is stuck out on forks which allow for much more flexing.

@Mark - thanks for contributing to the thread! Of course many of us working for a business will be working post the end-of-day "shift end whistle"... ! Cheers

Good morning (evening) Mr Evans

That is the first straight shooting, no nonsense, direct response I have ever got from Morgan

For years we have had to put up with the local incompetence

You have responded to heavy fire promptly, professional and concisely earning much respect in the process

There will of course be other questions as pointed out by KBMOG – (Keith, I am partly aware of your story and feel for you) but credit where credit is due

Mark, I trust you are part of the “Factory contingent” attending the upcoming MOCA Muster in Australia

A cold beer or fine Australian red is on me if you are Sir.........

Pens down now and enjoy your evening (almost early morning now)

Long Live Talkmorgan

It’s tough at the top Mark, keep up the good work......

Good Morning Mark

Thank you for your response to my latest post but as I understand it (please forgive me if I am wrong), your answers to the questions from OZ 4/4 were related purely to the original cracking problems that first appeared in 2014.
I was one of the people that was offered and had fitted (free of charge) the bolted-in chassis brace and I am very grateful for that.

As you are no doubt aware there are a couple of other possibly dangerous problems that have only come to light recently and are featured in other posts. (I know this is a post drift but I think it is relevant).

These are:-
a) Cracks close to the lower front wishbone mounting point (and in some cases the lug is breaking away from the chassis). These were discovered in June this year and my car was one of the 5 that were originally found to have this problem. Mark Baldwin reacted very well and our cars were repaired with new modified lugs welded on at the factory.
The factory must have thought that the cracks could be dangerous because Mark requested that on no account should we drive them until they were repaired.

b) There have been 2 cases recently of the old original style brake pedal (with the M3W cutouts) having a weld failure where the master cylinder actuating lever is attached to the spindle.
If this occurs, it results in a total inability to apply the brakes. I would consider this to be fairly dangerous.

In respect to the points (a and b) mentioned above, what would your response be to the original questions put to you by OZ 4/4?

I am sorry if your time is taken up answering these posts but it would not be needed if these problems had not come to light.

Even given these problems I get a great deal of pleasure from driving my M3W.