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Wow......

As an overseas owner, nine hours drive away from the nearest competent main Morgan dealer, the obvious (and probably cheapest) answer for those of us just needing the pedal box job (I have a new chassis already), is just to send us out a replacement pedal box or just the replacement clutch and brake pedals with their pivot pin and new clevis pins. I had a look this morning and getting the pedal box/assembly out is just a question of removing the 2 master cylinder clevis pins on the pedals, the 4 master cylinder holding bolts, the throttle cable and then the hex socket screws holding down fixings. I suspect removing these last fixings, may be a two man job unless they have captive nuts or a tapped plate on the underneath of the floor. Any competent local garage could do that job.

Waiting to hear back from Dave Cartwright at the factory.

Wilson

It was given a good push ages ago Moggo but labelled as a "Vendetta" by a Morgan employee.

Read the whole sorry saga on "Cracked and bent chassis" on this forum then read "End of the Road" to understand this behaviour has been on going a long time - but not for much longer I suspect.

Below is an extract from the first thread.


Originally Posted By Rog G

This post is like British television, full of repeats.

The post was started in 2014 and lay dormant for a year before being regurgitated.

Then Posted by "Wirewheel"

Rog G, it is a seven year old vendetta. And in my view spoils this forum.

Then posted by me...


Well “Wirewheel”, there seems to be a number joining in....

But first up – YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE OF MMC, CORRECT?

Your statement:-

“it is a seven year old vendetta. And in my view spoils this forum”.

Demonstrates, in my view, utter contempt and disrespect for those who have suffered at the hands of Morgan and dared to report the experience.

There are hundreds of posts from a range of members over a long period of time covering poor quality product, failure and customer service – me included.

I could not begin to count the number of times the term “Fit for Purpose” has come up in the forum yet the problems now extend to serious safety issues with the M3W.

Members are entitled to relate their stories, ask questions and get support from the forum and hopefully, consistent professional assistance from Morgan.

TM’ers and casual forum observers can then make informed, rational decisions on the purchase, use and enjoyment of their chosen vehicle.

Old posts reignite because the problems continue across so many threads that it’s difficult to keep up – nothing to do with a vendetta, just people not intimidated or afraid to speak out.

I believe your response is unworthy of this forum and your position.

So IAN, for the second time of asking, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?

As someone where the whole chassis saga cost me three years of use of my M3W and over £8,000 in additional costs, I think we owners are entitled to be aggrieved. In the end Morgan did the right thing for me and rebuilt my car again from end to end free of charge but that still left me £8,000 + out of pocket and minus three years use of the car. Of course, the car having been totally taken to pieces twice, is now a mass of rattles, vibrations and resonances.

.........and now the pedal box saga. If it was known about from 2014, when the first pedal pivot tube snapped off from the brake M/C actuation lever, why has it take 5 years to think about a recall.

Wilson

A very reasonable question....

I believe the new owners of MMC could see the failures and have realized that if a death in a M3W that was the result of the the machine then they could be consumed by legal fee and their investment would go right down the loo.

Where's John Grisham when you need him?

I have recovered my clutch pedal this afternoon with coarse emery cloth. I had a good look at the brake pedal extension tube and the weld(s) on it. The tubular extension on my pedal seems to be in one piece with the master cylinder actuator lever and the weld on the tube is at the pedal end of the tube. Now whether there is another weld at the accelerator side of the actuator lever, I cannot say, as I can't see it. The weld looks very neat on the pedal base and there is no paint flaking or other signs of distress at the moment but my M3W has only done 8200km since new in April 2012. My car is LHD.

Wilson

This groundbreaking for MMC.
I guess it is coincidental and influenced with the new ownership.

Re putting the problems right......
Pedal box should be replaced. No messing about with inspections even if a licensed inspector with correct equipment checks it. Far simpler and cheaper to do a straight swop. If MMC want to check the ones removed then do so for info purposes.
Same with the chassis cracking. Unless they call in specialists to check then the average mechanic will not be able to check properly.
I did a lot of NDT using surface crack detection both in simple kit form and magnetic/eddy current testing with fluorescent magnetic inks. We also did ultrasonic testing with portable and in-line units. Cleaning paint off and visual is totally insufficient, especially for a weld.
Re the chassis....I wonder if stress analysis has been done to design the upgrades? I hope it wasn’t a case of just adding of extra fillets based on “ that should do it”.
There won’t be a large number of vehicles involved, so total costs limited.
I hope those owners out of pocket having paid for the upgrades get reimbursed.
If the new owners are behind this recall then good for them. It would improve faith in MMC for the future. I also hope they insist on a better design and development system that builds in safety and quality.
WilsonLaidlaw......your checks will not reveal cracking WITHIN the weld. To check the surface you could use a dye penetrant kit. This link shows the process.
https://youtu.be/xEK-c1pkTUI

Has anyone managed to get their car booked in for an "inspection"? and now the factory has announced there is a problem is it wise or safe to drive the cars, do we have to get them transported.

I have emailed the factory asking for clarification of what this means, especially on the chassis issue. Expectations of a detailed response not high.