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I’m glad someone else is confused! I’ve a 94 plus 4 and I too am unsure how and to lubricate the front suspension. I like the sound of getting rid of the oiler and reverting to grease nipples. My question is whether anyone does a kit to enable the swop including nipples, braided hoses etc? Instructions would also help! This covers most of it: Greasing Kingpins
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Yes I would remove. Greasing the new top points doesn't seem to work so I don't bother. I grease every 500 miles (hard chrome king pins) but on extended road trips, 1.500 miles, presents no problems. Driving on short trips, town work, lots of steering twiddling requires more frequent greasing.
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Thanks all - very helpful (and I'm slightly comforted that Tony was as confused as I am!).
Consensus appears to be go for regular greasing rather than resorting to the oiler.
Any reason why people are going to the effort of completely removing the 1 shot oiler system; rather than just not using it?
if you do remove the oiler system and fit grease nipples to top of king pins I can see that this would keep the crud out; but presumably greasing through these wouldn't work due to the greater viscosity of grease being forced through a narrow passage designed for thinner oil?
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I have an '89 +4 and in the 5 years I have had the car I have never used the oiler (I have done about 10,000 miles). I haven't had the system removed, I just ignore it. I grease the nipples at the bottom end every 1000 miles or so. I have gaiters fitted at the bottom to keep the grease etc off the brake discs. The history file that came with the car shows the kingpins were changed 15 years ago, but just for ordinary ones. I asked BHM when it was in for service in March whether I needed the kingpins changing and their view was they were fine. For me if I forget to grease I know it's due when the steering feels like its crashing into bumps, rather than bouncing over them. Once you've greased the kingpins you can tell the difference.
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Thanks all - very helpful (and I'm slightly comforted that Tony was as confused as I am!).
Consensus appears to be go for regular greasing rather than resorting to the oiler.
Any reason why people are going to the effort of completely removing the 1 shot oiler system; rather than just not using it? I removed it as I was sure I was going to catch/rip/break it at somepoint whilst wielding the spanners! if you do remove the oiler system and fit grease nipples to top of king pins I can see that this would keep the crud out; but presumably greasing through these wouldn't work due to the greater viscosity of grease being forced through a narrow passage designed for thinner oil? Yep 
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My friend in Sun Valley, Idaho bought a 2000 +8 New. She drove it 50,000 miles and She never touched the Oiler nor greased the KP's. She did take long trips. The +8 was maintained/greased by a local mechanic that She hired. At 50,000 miles I dismantled the front Suspension and inspected it. Mild Steel KP's and bronze bushes. Probably good for at least 20,000 more miles.
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This is against the consensus, but, I have had my 1971 4/4 since 1980 and have done 150,000 miles or so since then. I use the one shot oiler at every petrol fill up and grease the suspension once a year. Last year I changed the kingpins and bushes only for the second time, so am getting. 50,000 miles before wear is unacceptable.
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I'm with you on this Rog, on both my Plus 8's I retained the one shot and if used as advised in the Morgan handbook it's a system that works well. Apart from this I prefer to keep the cars I have owned as they came out of the factory and for that reason take care in choosing them I'm not keen on extra bits bolted on and stuck everywhere and it adds weight  .
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2009 4/4 Sport Green prev
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I'm with you on this Rog, on both my Plus 8's I retained the one shot and if used as advised in the Morgan handbook it's a system that works well. Apart from this I prefer to keep the cars I have owned as they came out of the factory and for that reason take care in choosing them I'm not keen on extra bits bolted on and stuck everywhere and it adds weight . Ha Ha! I am just the opposite with my +8 Bitsa. But what I did probably could not be done anyplace else in most of the civilized World. If You can call the U.S. civilized. (Lately I wonder) When I started this +8 project I had plenty of warnings about the ramifications of it. But I wanted what no one else had. A custom +8 built as I wanted it to be. Yes I did not save a dime. But I did have loads of fun. I appreciate MMC much more as now I understand a lot of the design decisions they made. I also had Lorne Goldman's EMOG for advice and a focus of getting the parts I would need. Although I did not know then but I put a short door body on a long door chassis. I did not even know what a long door was at the time. I also ordered the wrong stub axles. They have been changed 3 times since 1969. Is My +8 better than MMC's Morgan +8? Well Yes and No. Mainly NO!!! The re-sale value of My Bitsa is virtually nil. Keeping ones Factory +8 nice and shiny and original is not stupid. So far owning a Morgan Original +8 is almost better than cash in the Bank. My situation was unique. Mrs. Button was ill and needed me 24-7 to take care of Her. A garage project I was interested in was just what I needed at that time. I also could afford this type of project. Many times Mrs. Button would come out to the garage and check My progress. It was a difficult time for Her and Me.
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I'm with you on this Rog, on both my Plus 8's I retained the one shot and if used as advised in the Morgan handbook it's a system that works well. Apart from this I prefer to keep the cars I have owned as they came out of the factory and for that reason take care in choosing them I'm not keen on extra bits bolted on and stuck everywhere and it adds weight . Ha Ha! I am just the opposite with my +8 Bitsa. But what I did probably could not be done anyplace else in most of the civilized World. If You can call the U.S. civilized. (Lately I wonder) When I started this +8 project I had plenty of warnings about the ramifications of it. But I wanted what no one else had. A custom +8 built as I wanted it to be. Yes I did not save a dime. But I did have loads of fun. I appreciate MMC much more as now I understand a lot of the design decisions they made. I also had Lorne Goldman's EMOG for advice and a focus of getting the parts I would need. Although I did not know then but I put a short door body on a long door chassis. I did not even know what a long door was at the time. I also ordered the wrong stub axles. They have been changed 3 times since 1969. Is My +8 better than MMC's Morgan +8? Well Yes and No. Mainly NO!!! The re-sale value of My Bitsa is virtually nil. Keeping ones Factory +8 nice and shiny and original is not stupid. So far owning a Morgan Original +8 is almost better than cash in the Bank. My situation was unique. Mrs. Button was ill and needed me 24-7 to take care of Her. A garage project I was interested in was just what I needed at that time. I also could afford this type of project. Many times Mrs. Button would come out to the garage and check My progress. It was a difficult time for Her and Me. That makes your Bitsa a very special car then, that is a lovely poignant story thanks for sharing it with us on TM.
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