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Stevo666 #765730 29/12/22 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stevo666
Sorry - but this really looks like MMC have not learnt from past mistakes!!!
As well as the issues highlighted in this thread - which are customer cars (!) .. there have also been issues with demonstrator cars including brake issues, bevel box noise, geometry issues and paintwork problems!!
How can a basic thing such as the customer specification trim be incorrectly supplied?

I do hope MMC respond swiftly to rectify these issues... banghead

There should be no reason not to get the basic simple stuff right and then stand by their product.


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Having worked for 30 years for the Stuttgart brand, I affirm that there are no fewer errors made in Stuttgart, I saw a car with a GT3 driver's seat and a GTS passenger seat, cars delivered with a lack of welding on the bodywork mechanical design problems etc..., the first 993s have a noisy engine due to the piston pins being out of alignment in the wrong direction on one side of the engine, oil pumps which are rubbed by connecting rod screw n°2 etc...., standard exchange water-cooled engines with metal filings from machining, defective spare parts, recently I bought missed crankshaft bearings with the lubrication holes in the wrong place. factory assures me that they are good, at one time there was always one or two broken motors in the workshop awaiting replacement, the after-sales manager said that it was driving errors so as not to frighten other customers, etc. .....
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The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.

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Originally Posted by GLLOQ
The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.


Thanks for the insight - it is often touted on here that Porsche owners wouldn't stand for the Morgan issues. Obviously they do........


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Originally Posted by GLLOQ
The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.


But, it no longer has the dealer network to provide the required support...living in NW Hampshire (hardly the boondocks), our nearest one is now at least an hours drive away....

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Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Morgan are reminding me of my time as a TVR customer - we did the final product shakedowns for them! I think Morgan rely to some extent on customers buying into the whole ethos of Morgan being a small company, hand-made products, they all do that sir etc. etc. Now that didn't work out too well for TVR

Your reference to TVR prompts me to relate my experience with 13 of them (including a couple I bought back) over the period from 1978-2020. The first was a personal export to Switzerland where we were living at the time, I collected the car from the factory in Blackpool and drove it straight to Zurich.The local dealer made some small mods to meet Swiss specs (and also managed to cause some rear-end damage !). Later after returning to England I bought another one new from the biggest UK dealer at the time. Subsequently I bought a 1961 classic from a specialist dealer. All the others were used and I bought them privately. I only traded them when I wanted a change (vanity frankly), but also owned two at the same time. Over that 42 year period, one had some suspension work done, two of them required a trip to a specialist for conversion from leaded to unleaded heads, but other than that it was occasional DIY jobs and regular maintenance/MoT by local garages. Nothing major, no dramas. You might say that I was lucky, but at no time were those words "they all do that Sir" used. I was very happy with my ownership, and only changed to a Morgan when getting in and out of TVRs became too difficult for me and my wife (we now have 146 years between us). 

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Originally Posted by GLLOQ
The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.
Yes, but they should be way better. With the (relatively) tiny number of cars produced they really have no excuse.


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Originally Posted by GLLOQ
The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.

Wait, what? Modern Porsches are just as bad as new Morgans now?

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Originally Posted by GLLOQ
The moral is that Morgan is no worse than the other builders.

Wait, what? Modern Porsches are just as bad as new Morgans now?

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My new Boxster S was almost as bad as my 1st 3W, although that was 12 odd years ago so maybe only modern ish.

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The idea of comparing Morgans of any model year with their cost equivalent contemporaries seems less than wise..?

As with much else in life it seems our expectations have increased exponentially over the years, but for me Morgan although having been forced to evolve, may well in fact have managed to stay much the same..?

If you have ever read any of my rambles you might remember that I had spent some years nailing my old sports cars back together, thus I became reasonably well versed in basic understanding many of the principals of sports car design and build quality..? In time and on discovering air cooled Porsches, I became impressed with their engineering priorities with regard to form following function, reliability and longevity, all of which fitted better my own ideals than all else I had worked upon over quite a few decades up to the time I got my hands on my first Porsche, so much so that I stuck with that mark for many a year.

As I aged I found myself desirous of more driver involvement on the queens highway other than at ballistic speeds such as seemed to become the main aim of designers given the HP increase demands on sporting machinery. With all that in mind a Morgan was thought to be the ideal machine to match my desires of vintage sports car motoring involvement to some degree, but without the costs of a true vintage machine that could top the ton on occasion..

With a bit of research beforehand it was in no way difficult to understand and accept that a Morgan was no match in engineering terms to that which I had become used to by way of technological advances in Sports car design. The last 911 I had owned was of 82 vintage, and the Mog I bought in Y2K was of mid 80`s initial build... My Porsche(s) had proven their self to be so very capable in all areas in standard tune, be that as a daily driver, track day star, or to convey my good lady in style to any function dressed in her finest... There is no way my old Mog can cover all those bases and with the same degree of dependability in all weathers, though I have tried using it for most.. smile

Despite it`s foibles it would seem a Morgan in it`s many guises over the years has retained it`s hairy chested Brit sports car credentials like NO other..?

Check out if you will, the press reports on the performance of the +8 when it first hit the road, the acceleration times, power to weight ratio and all that on cart springs and sliding pillar suspension...! Hairy chested or what...? If you accept that premiss, then compare the press reports on the newer Morgans in terms of power to weight and performance levels , all of which is available without the over riding digital decision making of modern machinery capable of similar performance levels. Modern machines digital programming can take over when brain fade would otherwise have you spinning out of control in your 400 HP + four wheel drive Porsche.... I ask you, by comparison, modern Morgans...Hairy chested or what....???

I guess if you might have tuned into my line of thought and if you read this far, though things have changed a great deal since I first hit the road in my old Mog back in Y2K, the exponential increase in traffic and logically enough the increase in poor driving standards along with the increase in worn out road surfaces....Yeah Morganeers of today have far hairier chests than mine ever was.... Especially those nutters who chose to enjoy their Morganeering on three wheels.... You guys take the biscuit.... laugh2

Just thinking in type.. (-: Be careful out there in your choice of Morgan and keep a weather eye focussed for the other non-Mog nutters scared

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