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Derek596 #766414 06/01/23 06:40 PM
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This month i am going for the overhaul . I will ask the bleeding again.
We will see the results later.

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I wonder how many have heard of or better been taught cadence braking which when performed in a practiced manner maximised braking action in conditions of minimal grip by taking advantage of retardation before tyres completely lost grip then quickly repeated in a dabbing action. In so doing, as well as stopping in shortest distance, it allowed some degree of steering in an emergency.

ABS simply seems to be an automatically applied and electronically monitored version of this efficient form of braking in marginal grip conditions.


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I learned that technique in the 1960s and still employ it today (in all our cars). Especially when approaching a junction (e.g. to turn left) because it causes the brake lights to flash -- as a warning to the idiots behind who insist on getting just a couple of feet away while I'm completing the turn.


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On the off chance that there are any here who might be interested in looking at ABS units in a bid to get to grips with possible issues, I found this vid to be rather interesting in terms of the software configuration.

In this case a replacement ABS unit was fitted by a garage to resolve a problem and apparently the vehicle still had issues the garage seemed unable to resolve. It seems this guy may hire himself out as some sort of higher level tec, who specialises in resolving digital issues...

I found it interesting the number of sequences involved in using the programmer/scan tool that were involved in resolving the issue, any one of which if not performed in precisee sequence could have created an issue..?

To save all the chat if you beam in at circa 02:10 you can follow his processes.

https://youtu.be/0aacrGIAQYo

Interesting..?

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Originally Posted by RichardV6

ABS simply seems to be an automatically applied and electronically monitored version of this efficient form of braking in marginal grip conditions.


That is exactly right


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Just how ABS works is not the question unless at this very time you are skidding on ice or in the NZ mud on the road!

I would like to hear from someone who has driven a 2023 Plus Six as to how the brakes were especially in comparison to older model Plus Six.

I understand that the 2023 version also has Traction Control which once again you will not need unless you are skidding on ice or mud!

All I want is short brake pedal travel and more positive braking!
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Kerry I'm afraid I can't answer that question for you. In Germany are still no MY23 for a test drive available. I am the next week or the week after next at my dealer near Stuttgart to pick up my PlusFour. I will ask when that is possible.
Can imagine that in UK or directly in Malvern a test drive is possible earlier. Maybe a TM member from the area has the possibility to report


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Originally Posted by RichardV6
I wonder how many have heard of or better been taught cadence braking which when performed in a practiced manner maximised braking action in conditions of minimal grip by taking advantage of retardation before tyres completely lost grip then quickly repeated in a dabbing action. In so doing, as well as stopping in shortest distance, it allowed some degree of steering in an emergency.

ABS simply seems to be an automatically applied and electronically monitored version of this efficient form of braking in marginal grip conditions.

I prefer Cadence to ABS, which of useless in snow and ice on downhill sections, much better to use the old fashioned seat of the pants 'feel' for when you have grip or not, ABS just cuts braking off far too early in some situations


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why not just take a suspect car down to your MoT station where the equipment exists to measure the effectiveness of the brakes and take the opinions out of the subject?

The problem with this sort of discussion is that doubt feeds on doebt. Its a bit like someone saying to you in the pub "does this beer taste off to you".

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The first production CX’s must be due for their first MOTs soon so let’s see what happens? It should answer many questions.

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