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Towards the end of S1 production we did see some with the more standard 5 stud wheels which went onto the S2 so I am guessing they can be swapped if you ever get into really difficulty.
Finding someone to cashflow 100 wheels is pretty serious.
Is there any way that they would accept less but a higher per unit cost so they still see profit overall, not wanting to give them carte blanche but... I believe the S1.5 wheels (5 spoke, 5 stud) you're referring to were also magnesium, and those are different hubs to the earlier S1's and also the later S2 onwards. Magnesium wheels just don't belong on a road car.
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For those who need a better repair, I've seen this Co do laser welds in difficult alloys, may be worth a chat ? https://harrisonslasertech.co.uk/
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.....Finding someone to cashflow 100 wheels is pretty serious. I'm not even an S1 owner, but do ocasionally spot an "opportunity". Trouble is, if bankrolling this required a minimum of say £50K, why would I or anyone else regard this a serious investment ?
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That was my point - sorry if it did not read correctly.
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Yeah when you take into account the number of S1 left. Then those who actually damage a wheel, then out of those ones which couldn’t actually be repaired. Then the market for them is very small.
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I’ve enquired with 2 OZ wheel importers on what the minimum order of wheels would be for them to make the original magnesium wheels again. I have no idea how many they’ll come back with, even if they would be willing. Once I get a reply I’ll let you guys know. If it’s not an insane amount maybe all us series 1 owners could get together for a group buy. I’ll keep you in the loop with what I hear. Would be good to hear. What was wrong with the repair? Was it visible or something found upon a tyre change - would be good to know I guess for future reference for those inspecting wheels/cars etc.
For making alloy custom wheels if I recall the cost to do something like this was around 5/10k, of course once patterned subsequent ones would be cheaper, be interesting to know how much heavier they would be.
OZ would still make new sets of the mag wheels but require a minimum order quantity, which I imagine would be hard to fill hence why Morgan don't have any. The o/s/r wheel had a chunk missing from the inside edge of the rim - still holding air but clearly damaged. Williams sent the wheel off to someone to have it repaired, but when the car was in for service last week they noticed that the repair had failed. Again, still holding air but frankly we're not sure how! I'll try and attach a picture. ![[Linked Image]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53553218008_8a5e489857_c.jpg) Pete
I am sorry to hear that you have had to use the spare.
I would be interested to hear what your exploring reveals - I would be up for buying any that end up surplus to requirements (I have a repaired pair on the car at the moment), or perhaps even going in if a credible alternative can be made. Let me know if I can help.
Just as an aside, I have been trying to find out where some of the suspension rose joints/ball joints, and the track rod rose joints, come from - so I might be able to share that if I make progress. If those parts can be sourced easily it might make a heavier wheel more practical?
Rgds Will keep you in mind, thanks. Oh, i checked the starter fuse and it was already a 30A :-) Happy to sell my undamaged spares if i get all new, but equally i will keep you informed on my progress with the new possibilities. Would be keen to hear how you get on with rose joints too. I’ve enquired with 2 OZ wheel importers on what the minimum order of wheels would be for them to make the original magnesium wheels again. I have no idea how many they’ll come back with, even if they would be willing. Once I get a reply I’ll let you guys know. If it’s not an insane amount maybe all us series 1 owners could get together for a group buy. I’ll keep you in the loop with what I hear. I heard from a third party that OZ Racing had suggested a new batch would be 100 wheel minimum, but i can't remember who told me that. Will be good to hear what your sources come back with. Fundamentally i still think moving away from magnesium is the better long term solution, i'm not convinced these wheels are actually all that light (!) and forged/billet aluminium wheels are much less delicate/fragile and much more easily repaired. I would keep that wheel and not bin it, it definately looks repairable by someone more skilled - Simon would have easily fixed that one, and others will be about who can. Towards the end of S1 production we did see some with the more standard 5 stud wheels which went onto the S2 so I am guessing they can be swapped if you ever get into really difficulty.
Finding someone to cashflow 100 wheels is pretty serious.
Is there any way that they would accept less but a higher per unit cost so they still see profit overall, not wanting to give them carte blanche but... I believe the S1.5 wheels (5 spoke, 5 stud) you're referring to were also magnesium, and those are different hubs to the earlier S1's and also the later S2 onwards. Magnesium wheels just don't belong on a road car. Interestingly I thought 25/30 sets was mentioned, which would tie up. In all honesty that means 25 owners who want a set, which is not impossible I suppose. Perhaps Morgan would be interested in having 4/5 sets - which would make it all more viable - certainly worth exploring.
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Probably the wrong thread (I couldn't find one for "spotted").....
Spotted a dark green Aero heading south late this morning, in the rain, Cadnam to Lyndhurst. Anyone on here ?
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Probably the wrong thread (I couldn't find one for "spotted").....
Spotted a dark green Aero heading south late this morning, in the rain, Cadnam to Lyndhurst. Anyone on here ? That would be me - was taking my car (and the spare damaged wheel) to a place in Lymington where they make (from aluminium billet) wheels. We took one of my front wheels off so we could scan the brakes and hub carrier, and took myriad measurements from my wheel. Very helpful chap said he'd put together the CAD stuff and get back to me within a few weeks. Turns out a bare 9x18 magnesium wheel weighs 8.4kg. He's confident he can get very close to that in aluminium in a near identical design so that we can keep the aesthetics. If an aluminium wheel can be made which is comparable in weight to the magnesium wheels i see no downside to this change.
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Your car was looking fab......I didn't wave as we were in the tin top......don't see many Aero's around here, espacially with the hood up. Very cool.
Good to know there's somewhere "local" (to me -- 15 mins drive) where they can do that. Was it LPE by any chance ?
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