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Hi all,

I wonder if anyone can help with an issue I am having with the speedo in my 1998 +4.

The speedo occasionaly reads the right speed but more often than not it is swinging wildly around from 0 - 100 mph.
I have had the speedo sent to Speedy Cables who have bench tested it several times and confirm it it working correctly and have replace the inners one one occasion but it still does not show the right speed all of the time, when it does it appears to be quite accurate when compared to my GPS speedo that I have to have in the car.

Do anyone have any idea what I can check next to see if I can resolve the issue?

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As the speedo is confirmed correct, it can only be the cable or the gearbox cable drive (unsure which gearbox you have).

First thing I'd check is the cable route from gearbox to speedo. Make sure there are no tight curves or bends that could cause the cable to wind up inside the outer.


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and oil the cable inner.


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HI Laurie

As your car is 1998 can I ask is the speedo electronic or mechanical ? My 1999 4/4 has a VDO electronic speedo.

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My 1998 4/4 has the electronic VDO speedo - I know because I have just taken it out to send it away to have the odometer display replaced.
It was a pig to get out because the locking ring was cross threaded.
Ended up having loosen the whole dashboard so that I could get behind it and 'ping' the locking ring back onto its correct thread alignment.

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Originally Posted by Gaufridus
My 1998 4/4 has the electronic VDO speedo - I know because I have just taken it out to send it away to have the odometer display replaced.
It was a pig to get out because the locking ring was cross threaded.
Ended up having loosen the whole dashboard so that I could get behind it and 'ping' the locking ring back onto its correct thread alignment.

I have the same issue with my odometer, where did you get it fixed?


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Originally Posted by Gaufridus
My 1998 4/4 has the electronic VDO speedo - I know because I have just taken it out to send it away to have the odometer display replaced.
It was a pig to get out because the locking ring was cross threaded.
Ended up having loosen the whole dashboard so that I could get behind it and 'ping' the locking ring back onto its correct thread alignment.

I have the same issue with my odometer, where did you get it fixed?
I'm going to send it to Ryan Linley Restoration as recommended by other folks elsewhere on this forum. (Google: Ryan Linley Restoration).
Spoke to him last week on the 'phone - he's familiar with the display problems but he's on holiday this week so I agreed to send it to him next week. Should take about 2 weeks.

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Hi Hugo
I had the same odometer issue. At the time my car was new to me although it was 20 years old but was still covered by the dealers 3 month warranty so I did not replace the LCD display myself. I removed the speedo and at took it to cartronix in waterlooville. They replaced the LCD display whilst my wife and I had a browse around the shops and a coffee it took about 3/4 of an hour. Its been fine ever since almost 5 years now. There web address is https://cartronix.co.uk/

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Hi Zach,

As other has pointed out it is electronic and has been bench tested by Speedy so I think it is something to do with the rest of the system.

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Hi lauire

This is how I would approach the problem. The instrument requires power (12volts) and pulses from a sensor. Given the bench testing it's had if we assume your instrument is not faulty that leaves intermittent power connection, intermittent sensor connection or intermittent faulty sensor.

The sensor sends pulses to the speedo. When the speedo is first installed into a car it needs to be set or told how many pulses per mile to expect from the sensor. Imagine for the moment that this is set to say 10,000. The instrument uses this information in two ways. First when 10,000 pulses have arrived from the sensor, regardless of how long that took, it must increment the odometer by one mile. The second way is to asses the rate at which the pulses are arriving (measure there frequency). For example if it assesses that 10,000 pulses are arriving every 2 minutes that means the car is travelling one mile every 2 minutes or 30mph, so the speedo needle needs to be driven around to indicate 30 mph.

I would need a circuit diagram and the source code for the microprocessor in the speedo to determine exactly how it all works both of which I don't have so the rest is my best guess and that is just what it is a GUESS. If the 12 volt supply to the speedo is intermittent I would not expect it to affect the odometer reading, after all you don't want an electrically noisy ignition switch clocking up miles you have not done on your odometer every time you turn the ignition on. It would, however, effect the speed reading.

If the sensor or its connections were intermittent then that would affect both the miles per hour reading and the odometer.

Some of the things that I would do

1. make a note of the odometer reading and with the fault present drive the car a reasonably exact distance, say 20 miles, referring to a sat nav or your gps speedo. Then compare the known distance with the odometer reading. If they are different, to me this would suggest the sensor or its concoctions are at fault.

2. Remove the speedo. With the ignition switch on and with a digital voltmeter check the voltage arriving at the speedo plug. It should be pin 4 positive, pin 3 negative. Waggle the plug around whilst reading the meter to see if the voltage is intermittent.

You can get the pin out diagram from this link

https://www.jbugs.com/store/images/...Jqt18Ri3cKR17e4rlaA8GT8l9VtiHVsqWl4_qzN8

If the 12v supply looks good I would be looking at the sensor and its wiring. On my car the sensor is fitted in the gearbox near the output shaft. I believe on some Morgans the sensor is fitted to the offside front wheel hub. Find your sensor, have a good look at the connection and perhaps follow the wiring back up to the Speedo plug.

I have built a very simple bench test rig for the VDO Speedo which enables you to power the instrument up and provide pulses which you can vary with a potentiometer such that you can vary the Speedo reading anywhere from about 6 mph to about 83 mph. If people would like I can put a separate post on how to put this together.

Hope all this stuff helps. Good luck.

Regards ZACH

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