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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by +8Rich
like ICE it's the intelligent way to buy unless you need that new car smell.

That's a good way to look at it. The ⅓ of the value you lose simply driving a new car off the forecourt is the premium you pay to sit in a seat that nobody else has farted into.

The depreciation curve bottoms out after a while, and that's the reward you get for keeping a car for a long time.

Buy young rather than new, keep for 10 years or more and you get the best of both worlds.
Exactly that, I just don't get the buying new thing at all, the series of vastly reduced Fiesta's I bought through the SIL were 1,000milers and half price through the company scheme. Once I retired I stopped getting them an quite happy to keep my 60 Reg until it's had enough and then maybe go Microlino or Hydrogen as I find them both interesting.

The only new car I ever bought was my 4/4 Sport off Henrys showroom floor in Bristol - no maths or selling involved just pure heart over logic.

Having had 20 years plus of brand new company cars possibly influenced me but I'm too close to judge really.


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Originally Posted by +8Rich
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I was looking at a new MG4 electric the cost was £34k then looking a second hand a 2024 just 8 months old less than 2000 miles was £21k!
So might be cheap to run but the depreciation cancels the savings out !
Or are my maths wrong.
John on here got very good deal on a very lightly used one, like ICE it's the intelligent way to buy unless you need that new car smell.

On car Wow new ones start south of 20k. MG really are discounting.


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I see we have as ever drifted in terms of the thread subject line... (-:

I am ever interested in chat re EV.

Only ever bought two new cars, both being for my good lady and that it seemed after many years of rolling around the garage floor I had enough of restoring and repairing our daily drivers.

My good lady`s first new car the ownership of which pleased her greatly, started to show issues into the sixth year of ownership and the JLR dealership took weeks before they could even begin to look at it, a short time later a similar fault occurred and it was suggested that it would take seven weeks before they could look at it.... Forcing me to chase the spiders off my tool kit, repaired it myself for a fraction of the cost which JLR charged for repairing a very similar fault on the other side of the car...Enough was enough of this over priced and over complex vehicle, that while underneath it I noted that it had not aged well despite it`s very low mileage, though perhaps average for a pensioners shopping trolley... Had it not been for these issues it would still be in my ownership.

So what to replace it with... My good lady really liked to keep up with modern trends and technology, green thinking played it`s part, along with the reality of minimal usage over time, and that all new vehicles have an excessive amount of digital systems with potential to add to the possibility of dilemmas, and that an EV has far less moving parts to go wrong than any ICE, then it seemed all the research we both made seemed to point to a Tesla as being the best option for many reasons..... For sure the description of EVs as white goods seems very apt, but then my good lady was ever very fussy in her choice of washing machines cookers and much else...(-:

Think the Tesla cost circa £44k new, and two years later it was valued circa £25k with circa 5k miles on the clock, but leading up to the purchase of a vehicle my good lady was unlikely to be able to drive, provided her with great interest in passing the time researching of the politics and possible effects financial and otherwise of EV ownership, she relaying on me for the more practical/ electromechanical assessments...

Now into my 3rd year of Tesla ownership and circa 6k miles on the clock, I see it as an ideal and very practical transportation system for the old man I have become, and much of the digital programming and operation has added a degree of convenience that works well..... Fingers crossed it continues to do so...

As I have typed the Tesla would be the last machine I would part with if push comes to shove, despite my huge degree of interest in every type of ICE from my time in the pram right up to the minute I press POST REPLY

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George, a reprimand - you are not an OLD man you are really enjoying your antediluvian Plus 8 whenever possible as am I and I shall turn 74 in a short while we shall always be young at heart woohoo thumbs

p.s. Drifting in the Plus8 if proof is needed.. in a safe area of course.


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Originally Posted by High Hamster
2018 Roadster, just over 10,000 miles.

Auction ended at £34,000, with "reserve nearly met" (this had been reduced). Bonhams were estimating £40,000 - £45,000. That's the problem with auctions, it needs at least two people who want the item to get the price up.

If I didn't already have a Mog, I would have been interested, and at £35,000 (which, I assume, would then meet the lowered reserve) plus 7% auction premium I reckon that would be a bargain.

'An auction will always find the true value of anything!'

We've seen all this before in the early 1990's, I was involved in classic and vintage restoration at the time, I came into the industry at the end of a boom and witnesses the crash that came after it. People were desperate at that time, as values plummeted at the extreme end of things cars were being hidden and owners were claiming they'd been stolen to claim the agreed value from their insurer, with Lord Brocket being the most well publicised case but many more were up to the same stunts.

At the other more honest end of things restored cars started to flood the auction houses, we were bringing in Healy's & E-Types in from the States at the time and restoring them at a reasonable margin, this business model literally collapsed overnight. If you could buy a nicely restored E-Type for 20% less than having one restored, and you could choose from three example's in an auction plus have it tomorrow, why would you buy one from me and wait two years for it?

This was when I learnt that an auction will always find the true value of anything!

The challenge for auction houses right now is vendors are living in the past and insist on setting their reserve price based on where the market was two years ago, but the reality is we are now in very different times. The uncomfortable truth is the market is at least 20% down on where it was 24 months ago, but despite overwhelming evidence proving the 20% drop vendors just don't want to accept the situation, so reserves are set way above the car's true current market value, and as we've seen of late most of the catalogue fails to reach its reserve so simply doesn't sell.

Auction houses need to sell cars, so they must start to have the difficult conversation with their vendors to correctly set expectations, if they fail to set realistic expectations in their vendor's minds, everyone will lose! Luxury watches, leisure boats, classic cars etc etc, they're all discretionary purchases, by that I mean nobody truly needs these things in their lives like we need shelter, food and heating. For example, when it comes to a choice between paying your mortgage or owning a classic car, it's pretty obvious the classic car must go, the trouble is when many others are in the same financial position the market becomes flooded.

The other thing that happens simultaneously during difficult economic times is buyers become very thin on the ground, don't get me wrong, there are still plenty of people with spare cash in the bank out there. However, when these same people are not feeling especially confident that their jobs are secure, that spare cash isn't going to be spent on a discretionary purchase like a classic car, it's staying firmly in the bank 'just in case' it's needed to keep a roof over the family's head and or pay the crazy gas & electricity bills we've all been suffering for a good while now.

So with the market flooded with cars and buyers conspicuous in their absence, the age old rule of supply and demand soon takes over and the market naturally corrects itself.

That's what I mean when I say..... "An auction will always find the true value of anything!"

But history remains our greatest teacher, just like those dreadful days in the early 1990's, while it's painful now, the situation will improve. It's a slow process, but the economy is cyclical, to inhale it must exhale. We are currently at the point of maximum exhalation, so if you're thinking of selling but can hold on, do so. However, as with everything in life it's important to remember where there are losers there will also be winners, so if you're a buyer, for sure there are some fantastic bargains to be had out there right now.

But what to buy? We'll I'd suggest avoiding anything with a large thirsty engine unless you're talking blue chip investments like a Lamborghini Countach, vintage cars have also not been doing well for some time now, and are unlikely to recover anytime soon as they are seen as impractical to use and challenging to maintain. Sadly Morgans are no longer immune the market forces, the over supply of the CX platform cars, current market conditions, and a younger group of buyers who likely see Morgans as 'Fuddy Duddy' have all conspired to drive values down. This despite a modern Trad 4/4 or Plus 4 actually being a very practical classic car to own, you could say a modern Trad is the original factory built resto-mod!

So, if you're lucky enough to be in the market for a classic car right now, and you're also looking for something that's likely on the way up, a hot hatch from the early 1990's is a pretty safe bet. As a new generation of younger classic car buyers enter the market they are clearly aspiring to own such cars, and when we get to 2033 your hot hatch will become 'historic vehicle' status, at which point you'll see another jump up in value.

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I bought my Roadster at the end of August 2008, just before the Lehmann scandal and stock market crash. Let me get one thing straight, the only shares we've ever had were fron the Halifax building society demutualisaion.

And it took a long time to accumulate the funds, including the disposal of my MGBs, which was also painful
So after the Lehmann crash I had many discussions with my inner voice. Had I done the right thing? What is the right thing in a moving sands environment. I wondered, had that happened a month earlier, would I have gone ahead? It didn't matter, and over time I realised that I had done the right thing. Well, for me anyway.

Anyone familiar with Chasing Classic Cars will know how unpredictable auctions can be. We're back in that zone, and the panic sellers are over supplying the market, making values even lower.


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It's now sold - I've taken a punt on it as a replacement for my GDi Plus 4.


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Well done and enjoy the extra pots.


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Originally Posted by BigLes
It's now sold - I've taken a punt on it as a replacement for my GDi Plus 4.

You've bagged a bargain...my 2018 Roadster is on agreed value almost 2 x that reserve !

Enjoy thumbs


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It's now sold - I've taken a punt on it as a replacement for my GDi Plus 4.

You've bagged a bargain...my 2018 Roadster is on agreed value almost 2 x that reserve !

Enjoy thumbs

It seems a keen price, and well specced - that's what attracted me. I need to get one of the steering gaiters replaced (split & leaking), and to give it a thorough clean! Plenty of road dust and grime behind those body panels. But I think it will scrub up well.


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