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DalesPlusFour ..... this thread may be yet another uniquely Morgan thing .... when you have a 100+ years of company history of making cars that engage their owners to the point they survive, passed on as heirlooms .... and nearly a century later you're still producing cars instantly recognisable as 'family menbers' ... you end up with a driver base with wildly varying reasons for owning a Morgan .... other brands are old, but their cars have changed so radicaly over the years that you get a fragmented 'fan base' .....people collect old Citroens but have no connection to the person driving out of the dealership with this year's model .... not so Morgan ... with no other company could you drive your fresh from the showroom Plus 4 up the road behind a 70 year old 4/4 and no-one but a Morgan-Pundit could tell them apart .... we may all have hugely varying expectations of what we want out of out Morgans but we are all still 'Morganeers' (even those masochistic weirdos with not enough wheels and oil stained goggles! 🙂) .... long may that continue with the Supersport and its offspring.


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It is nice that you are passionate about your purchase but I I would have expected you to appreciate that any design will divide opinion. Each person will judge aesthetic merit in their own way; furthermore, everyone has their own ideas about what represents beauty and is therefore appealing and attractive. As someone who takes photos, I am sure you understand the Golden Ratio and whilst there are some commonalities among the way individuals appreciate a subject, so much of it is down to individual taste and perception.

As for your support of MMC as a company, you are not the only one and many of those people you are addressing have done so for decades and with purchases of many cars and models. So, you are not alone in wishing the business to do well.

If I may say, your post comes across as quite aggressive and struggling to appreciate differences of opinion and aesthetic ideals. This is not the first time you've taken this approach, and tone, and been dismissive of Morgan cars prior to the CX. TM is a great place to share opinions and have a civilised conversation; however, preaching, taking an argumentative stance and belittling other people's choice of a car, less so. I read the Pistonheads thread last night and that seems far more worthy of your approach, as do some of the comments on the various YouTube videos. With TM, you seem to be preaching to the choir and picking a fight with people who have owned Morgans for a very long time, supporting the company in the process, all because some of them have a differing idea of what is attractive to you.

@ Dales Plus Four

Until a few years ago, we trad friends could buy a car that had been built since 1936. From a small family run business, passed down from founder to son and grandson. With a ladder frame, straight-travel front suspension, rigid axle on leaf springs at the rear. A wonderful ash wood frame for the bodywork. There was an extremely successful optical facelift in 1952. This pre-war car was basically just kept on being built, only the latest engines and gearboxes were installed. So you could go to the Morgan dealer and buy a brand-new classic car, albeit with an up-to-date engine and gearbox. This was the perfect combination of two worlds, a reliable drive in a brand-new, ancient car that offered an almost unadulterated pre-war driving experience. (I also have a motorcycle that is almost 80 years old, sometimes you're glad when the drive technology isn't that old as well).
That's all over now. (Don't tell me about the little bit of wood that is still used for marketing reasons).
Yes, I come from the veteran car corner, I would rather buy an MG TC than a CX or even a Supersports.
However, I'm also a lifelong Morgan enthusiast, so the development of the brand doesn't leave me cold.
The Plus Four was no longer the ever-improved pre-war car that I loved, but at least the beautiful original body design has been successfully brought into the modern era.
Long may it continue to be built.
For me, Morgan has disfigured a beautiful car with the Supersport design. It's like installing a hyper-modern plastic door in a beautiful half-timbered house. Others may celebrate this “modernization”, but it's not my cup of tea.

I would buy one if i had the money . But now in Belgium an new plus four is 130000 euros . In october 2020 my plus four was at 94000 euros . In 2019 the new plus six (with hard top included) was at 94000

euros. In 2025 i expect this new car to be at 200000 euros (with hard top) . That's to much . For the same price it is possible to have an aero supersport.

It’s interesting that the new Supersport design features appeal to some and repel others. I seem to be fixated on the louvres and front and definitely wouldn’t want a hard top while others welcome the hard top and don’t care about minor aesthetic details.

I don’t mind about the BMW gear stick for instance - just a blend of tradition and modernity.

Just throwing this out there, (might be wrong), but recent converts to the Morgan brand might find it easier to accept design changes than those of us that have been wedded to the marque for many years and find the removal or change of familiar features harder to accept.

During the first few years of ownership, I just completely accepted them as they were and only over time did I start chomping on my pipe at any design divergence.

I’ve noticed with new Morgan models it takes me a while to come round and helps to see them in the metal a few times.

Initially dismissive of the Aero 5 and Plus 6, came round to both of them eventually.

My personal press photographer (81yr old Mum) has been over and grabbed some more informal photos........

Dales plus four. Your on a hiding to nothing on this one, this banter happens every time Morgan brings out a new model theres a bit of fuss for a couple of years bye some and then their gradually accepted. Everyone loves their Morgan for different reasons nostalgia financial a sense of community or a lifestyle thing. Having been accepted to Morgan's inner circle most can understand your championing of the brand but I think we all do that in our own way. I hope you enjoy your very special car when it arrives and get some miles in. Em

Liking the side and rear pics, still struggling with the front.

Old car, new car ... from Charles Neal's book The March of Progress, page 23, "A sketch released in 2018 of a potential CX-platform car inspired by the 1960's Morgan plus 4 plus (MMC)"

Replace the sloping front screen with a flat screen and it looks to me rather like the Supersport, it even says "Super" as the title with other text which easily apply to the Supersport: classic aesthetic (front); dropped tail; wide, clean surfaces ... and a word I can't quite make out in front of 'roof'.



I'm really looking forward to seeing it next week at MMC, but SWMBO will be with me, so it's not me needing to be convinced!

Completely on the same page! Thus my confusion over so much of the negativity. The Plus Four is, as you say, so similar as to be indistinguishable from the old ones to the uninitiated.

The Aero, however, was different and evidently a look towards the future. The Supersport is, as the company have said, an Aero successor. At the launch it was an Aero 8 and Aero Max they had on display before the big reveal. The Supersport fits this brief in my view. Its a look to the future with, possibly, even a stronger foot in the past than the Aero had at the time.

So taken as a whole in 2025 a new or returning buyer to Morgan can choose from:

Super3 - A wild and deeply entertaining 3 wheeled adventurer.
Plus Four- A conservative and traditional iteration on one of the longest running cars in automotive history.
Supersport - A powerful retro-modern take on the Morgan design language that serves as a true range topping sportscar.

They're all light.
They're all fun.
They're all hand crafted.
They're all made in England.
They're all compliant and homologated for the necessary legislation.
And you can buy them to order, however you like, in 2025.

And if one thinks they're too expensive go and have a look at the absolute bargains on the pre-owned page.

To be clear, the cars that many of you say you prefer from the Morgan history books simply could not be made and sold today. Although falling under alternative compliance standards due to being a small volume manufacturer there are still compliance standards they must meet.