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Motorhomes caravans boats electric cars have all taken a dive we might not like it why should Morgan be any different. Em

I think it's useful to remember that on any modern engine, actual servicing in the sense of regular jobs that are needed to keep the engine running properly is becoming simpler and simpler. Change the oil once a year, air filter and brake fluid every 2 years, spark plugs and coolant every 3 years, plug in a computer to reset the service intervals and check for faults, all these are jobs that any competent DIY mechanic could do at home or decent local BMW specialist could do for you with no great problems.

The challenges come when things break or go wrong, and it's at this point where factory/custom built parts and their potential lack of availability come in. But as we've seen with previous generations of Morgan, if there's something problematic that the factory is unable to help with or only offers a massively expensive solution, there will be enthusiast owners who happily get to grips with the technology to sort out. Ultimately if something breaks and there's no replacement available, there will always be a local machine shop or electronics specialist who can make a replacement, and it could be a mistake to think this would be a more expensive solution.

This is true of all makes, and especially true of the more exotic or expensive stuff. A couple of years ago the ABS solenoid on my Td5 failed. The official Land Rover solution was a whole new ABS unit at £1800 + VAT, my local garage's solution was to send it off to a specialist for a rebuild which cost me around £400. Or look at how the owners of Bentley Continentals are replacing the high-level brake LED strips. Official Bentley method: remove rear window, long and complex job, costs an arm and a leg. Enthusiast's approach: break out the old one from above, insert new one, re-seal. Costs a couple of hundred.

My brief ride in a Plus Four was quite enough to light the fire of desire in me. They are flippin' fantastic cars and it's only the purchase cost that's preventing me from making the move. I would have no worry about getting the thing serviced or repaired even if I couldn't do it myself, but I almost certainly wouldn't bother a Morgan dealer once the car was out of warranty.

Doesn't seem to have done Bentley or Rolls Royce much harm.

If more oily-fingernailed enthusiasts can get their hands on otherwise unaffordable cars and keep them running then all to the good. Maybe CX cars will depreciate and exit the main dealer sphere but that doesn't mean there won't be loads of people supporting and using them.

This is the one aspect of the Plus Four that slightly baulked with me, I wasn't a massive fan of the way the auto box seemed to change up at the slightest opportunity. Absolutely fine in towns and traffic, but a bit of a pain on the open road. But then the solution is right there at the move of the stick, go into Sport mode and use the paddles. Best of both worlds as far as I can see.

Same with me. I'd have no qualms spannering on a P4.

I believe Morgan will continue to exist, maybe on much lower volumes, with a more exclusive upmarket regular release of cars similar to the Midsummer for the really well heeled. The brand has yet to get the right level of exposure at that much rarer 'air' client base. but its already targeting a very different customer base to those that would consider a trad.

I personally don't think that constructive criticism of the brand is a bad thing. if they listen they may grow from the exchange of views. Conversely not matter how much praise you may heap on them doesn't guarantee survival, especially if they screw up eg the US market, with its very litigious approach to problem solving.

Whilst Morgan depreciation appears to be a facet of ownership now, those new to the brand won't expect anything different, as with other car brands, and will like servicing costs build it into their cost of ownership. Where it may become more of an issue (especially in the UK) is if the existing dealership network shrinks dramatically and makes it harder to service your vehicle. Having said that there isn't a Rolls Royce or Aston Martin dealership on every street corner but people still buy them.

Whilst new car owners wouldn't necessarily appreciate this, I hope the depreciation cycle continues with Morgans. making them more readily available at realistic second hand prices. And with regards to Trads. those that are not at least Euro 4, will find it an increasingly expensive journey, as the clean air exclusions areas grow and the minimum Euro standard required becomes higher. Its only a matter of time before the higher emission cars are killed off the roads, especially post 2030 when the Uk planned ICE demise.

So whilst we all may bitch about reliability and depreciation at the moment, road charging and exclusion zones will be the topic for the near future especially for Trads where the CX with Euro 6 minimum will be able to continue to play

When i bought my plus four 93000 euros in 2020 that was 10000 euros more than my arp4 . At that time a roadster was also around 80000 euros . So 10000 euros for the bmw engine + auto box + new chassis + new suspension i dont find that so much. It is still a car made by hands , it takes 20 days to built one . A Porsche is done in two days and all the peoples wishing a sport car are driving a Porsche.
But i am not attired by a Porsche. Then the Brexit arrived and the we saw a 10000 euros price increasing.

Regarding routine servicing a Ferrari it ain't. i realize at some point you have to plug in the diagnostics but access for the most part is quite easy and no different to your normal tin top. Their much easier to work on than my old 24 year old Aero was. Any compitant mechanic can do a routine service the problem starts when you get an electrical gremlin. And lets not forget that b58 engine is probably the best engine BMW have ever made in a production road car.

Agreed, but this is where specialist auto electricians come into their own. They have a set of knowledge, tools, knowledge and experience that the average vehicle mechanic simply doesn't possess. It's often better to just get a mobile tech to come to you rather than trying to find a Morgan dealer with the requisite resources.

I believe that the vast majority of electrical problems are caused by moisture or oil creeping in through weak points like connectors, most of the rest are due to vibration/chafing of poorly-secured wiring, a few are down to poor shielding or potting, and only a small minority are down to actual failure of electronic components.

One of the things that does tend to make me a bit grumpy is the wholesale component replacement approach to fixing vehicles. I completely understand that it's probably cheaper to just unplug components and fit new ones instead of paying £100+ per hour for a technician to fiddle about tracking down what the actual problem is, but it seems pretty wasteful to me.

Anybody with form dealing with Lucas bullet connections, has a head start on electrics.

And finding some unsoldered with just the cable wrapped over the end is a real eye roller.