Talk Morgan Forums Thread Like Summary - EV's......and House Insurance

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He's a bit irritating, and probably started out as an EV evangelist, but has done a few watchable blogs about the ups and downs of his Taycan.

It seems that Insurance companies may be waking up to the fact that an EV fire costs a huge amount more than an ICE fire.

As others have pointed out, the YT business model is almost consciously designed to promote misinformation and clickbait, much as the Daily Mail website does. There are some great YT channels which I watch a lot (Jono Buchanan, Adam Neely, Paul Davids) but none of them have got anything to do with politics or current affairs.

I insure with NFU. They are entirely happy not only to insure my house and my EV, but also for me to charge it in the garage rather than outside.

EV fires do happen, and they are harder to put out than ICE fires, but they happen 20 times less frequently. Anyone having issues with their insurance company would probably be advised to find one that uses decent actuaries.

Yes but his headlines are still gross clickbait. He is monetising excessive griping, which the platforms happily disseminate at speed. Posting stuff that angers readers generates more traffic and therefore more revenue.
And he makes no attempt at balance (the second video above is better).

Here’s what has happened in the Porsche world:

- many owners got a letter WRS0 which says they will be putting on some monitoring software and will let us know in the future if any battery anomaly is detected. That letter basically means nothing. Lots of battery systems have monitoring - I expect Tesla has had it since the beginning - but the German approach to privacy requires a lengthy letter to tell owners they will do so, and to allow them to opt out if for some peculiar reason they want to do so

- a few owners got a letter ARB6/7 which says that as no data on their battery is available, a precaution is required (charge to 80% and don’t park adjacent to house) until they push out some monitoring software. This is irritating for those concerned but smells strongly of lawyers rather than practical experience. No cases of actual problems have been reported as far as I know. And the letter is saying “we don’t have enough data (yet)” and NOT “your battery will catch fire” as reported by some YouTubers.

So all a bit ho-hum really, and not worthy of the coverage it is getting.

There is a further problem in the modern car world: things that are fixed by a software update end up being classified (especially in the US) as a “recall”. This drives headlines like “Tesla recalls 1.3 million vehicles” when in reality all that’s happened is they have pushed out a software update, like the security updates you get on an iPhone. (Porsche seem to actually recall vehicles to the workshops because they can’t get over-the-air updates to work reliably, but that’s another story…)

Look out for the next episode, “SHOCKING evidence that Morgans FALL APART in use and MAY KILL YOU if crashed!!!”.

Please don’t promote these rubbish YouTubers. This guy is monetising his moans and damaging the car industry at the same time.

Amusingly he writes “not clickbait” in his headlines even though that is exactly what it is.

Agree about YT ... aside from the glossy channels, if you want to know how to do just about anything from setting up a lathe to sexing chickens then there'll be some old bloke from the Mid-West or The Midlands will talk you through it ... it may be a bit long-winded and 'homespun' ... but it's hands-on .. and free.

Anything related to politics, sociology, EVs or current affairs should be selected with care!

K

Clickbait videos and excessive advertisements are starting to make YouTube unusable.

The amount of clickbait with headlines or images that are misleading and often don't even relate to the content is just astonishing.

I don't mind a little publicity but it has become just too much. I find €14 a month just too much to pay for ad free access to what is largely rubbish.

In addition to the Rage Bait aspects, it's also worth remembering just how much money and resources is being pumped into the Anti-EV misinformation campaign by the fossil fuel companies.

https://www.desmog.com/2024/03/22/afpm-api-disinformation-epa-ev-car-emissions-rule/

and it's being going on for years

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2016/04/04/who-holds-back-the-electric-car/

A lot of the misinformation is so well embedded we see the core assumptions percolating through in any number of car channels

Fortunately there are lots of fact-checking resources available, eg

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/

so it's always worth checking one's assumptions.

I'm with Dave. My wife's Volvo has all those features Dave dislikes and I can extract no pleasure at any level driving it. I end up with an inner screaming to get back into the mog or my little abarth.
Nick

Ah well Luddite, it's not the issue of being electric that gets me. I still enjoy driving in a manner I enjoyed back in the seventies. So I have very specific needs which I've often listed here.

Size matters to me. Nothing bigger than a Golf MkVI. I have no interest in anything remotely SUV, although I was once given a battle scarred 12 seater minibus as a rental, and thoroughly enjoyed carving through traffic with that, but I digress.

Transmission really matters. Not interested in auto or DSG. Had rentals, and couldn't wait to get rid.

Don't want an electric handbrake. Had rentals, and this is just another lazy driver option.

Most EVs fail on all three. I will go down with my my driving enthusiasm intact.

Nick, I suspect from a very basic point of view, the primary function is to navigate a box on a road system with other boxes on it while trying not to come into contact with any of them, and the fewer decisions you require to make inside the box to carry out that task effectively the more brain power you have available to concentrate on anything happening outside the box which the box controller may not be programmed to expect....?

I suppose with even less requirement of the "driver" to pay attention could risk inducing sleep...!!!

Despite all the above, and my petrolhead upbringing, at this time in my life, of the three cars I have available, the Tesla would be the last to go in any requirement to downsize.